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Re: agree with FatBastard2 said by SRFireside:
said by moonpuppy:
Here are some deaths that some say Clinton was responsible for:
»www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm
This urban legend has been going on for years now. You gotta check your facts. Otherwise we'll have to actually believe the Bush body count myth that's been going around too.
Oh yeah some of the stuff you said about past presidents and wars:
WWI was justified. England were our allies so we had every right to supply them for their war. And it wasn't the English that sank the Lucitania.
WWII was justified. We had every right to put an embargo on goods to Japan for messing with one of our allies. That's why they are called allies. There are other theories as to why Japan attacked Pear Harbor that are just as easily accepted as well. Care to mention those too? Oh yeah... Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are two totally different instances. A terrorist attack is not the same as a military strike.
Vietnam. The war wasn't justified but don't you have any REAL evidence to link Kennedy?
Let's not live in the past and get on with the present! Who cares about something that happened a century ago or a decade ago? Let alone.. g.w.bush and his administration is leading us on to one thing after another like a coverup to keep people from questioning his authority. As of today, no one seems to give a damn on what really went wrong; that's what we need to focus on. |
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| said by attsbcisgay:
Let's not live in the past and get on with the present! Who cares about something that happened a century ago or a decade ago?
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. |
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| said by moonpuppy:
said by attsbcisgay:
Let's not live in the past and get on with the present! Who cares about something that happened a century ago or a decade ago?
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Why don't we talk about clinton and his economic failure? While we're at it, let's compare Hitler to Bush... |
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1 edit | Bush has already done that to Kerry and us Democrats, that's really low, even for a belly crawler like Bush. Yeah, Bush and Cheney are real nice, kind, Christian value kinda guys, calling Democrats un-American, and accusing the NEA of being terrorists (or anybody that doesn't support them for that matter), they're evil, twisted and lying men in my view, with smug, conceited faces to match. In my opinon Clinton did an AWESOME job with the economy, I had hope for a good career under his presidency, since Bush came in, the economy has gone to the toilet, while jobs by the millions have been eliminated or sent overseas, and has managed to tick off just about every nation on Earth, undoing decades of diplomatic work. I even liked his father better, and did you notice how much people ripped on Bush during the Reagan funeral and ceremonies? I didn't like Reagan's policies for the most part, but I'd take him any day over Bush and Darth Cheney.
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Why don't we talk about clinton and his economic failure?
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Economic failure? Clinton was the first US President in over 60 years to leave office with a surplus. That surplus was 2.5 trillion dollars. We now have a deficit of more than 3 trillion dollars. Do you want to tell me where that 5.5 trillion dollars has gone since Bush took office???? |
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kudos:1 | A wasted war in Iraq, oil company payoffs, deals in the dark, you name it, Bush has squanderd our future, selling America's soul to corporations for a "mess of pottage". |
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Why don't we talk about clinton and his economic failure?
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Economic failure? Clinton was the first US President in over 60 years to leave office with a surplus. That surplus was 2.5 trillion dollars. We now have a deficit of more than 3 trillion dollars. Do you want to tell me where that 5.5 trillion dollars has gone since Bush took office????
too bad that none of these went into our pocket when clinton was president or put any of us in debt anytime soon while bush is president... If bush was such a bad president like most say, he'd be impeached in less then 2 years! remember y2k??? it was fake just like Clinton's surplus  |
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| said by attsbcisgay:
too bad that none of these went into our pocket when clinton was president or put any of us in debt anytime soon while bush is president... If bush was such a bad president like most say, he'd be impeached in less then 2 years! remember y2k??? it was fake just like Clinton's surplus
First off it's public record regarding the surplus. Why don't you show some proof it's fake. So you want some of that money? I hope you enjoyed that $300 Bush gave you because that was it. Considering how much he spent in office he should have kept that money where it is (but you do what it takes to make people I like you I suppose). You want to talk about debt? More people are out of a job and in debt now than since before I can remember. There was a recession during Bush Sr.'s term and it was nowhere near as bad as this. |
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| said by SRFireside:
said by attsbcisgay:
too bad that none of these went into our pocket when clinton was president or put any of us in debt anytime soon while bush is president... If bush was such a bad president like most say, he'd be impeached in less then 2 years! remember y2k??? it was fake just like Clinton's surplus
First off it's public record regarding the surplus. Why don't you show some proof it's fake. So you want some of that money? I hope you enjoyed that $300 Bush gave you because that was it. Considering how much he spent in office he should have kept that money where it is (but you do what it takes to make people I like you I suppose). You want to talk about debt? More people are out of a job and in debt now than since before I can remember. There was a recession during Bush Sr.'s term and it was nowhere near as bad as this.
The fact is, more people have become lazy as well. If they would just bust their butt like during Clinton's era, everything would be mighty fine just like the old day |
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| said by attsbcisgay:
The fact is, more people have become lazy as well. If they would just bust their butt like during Clinton's era, everything would be mighty fine just like the old day
I'm assuming you're kidding, because if that's your serious response then you definitely haven't done your homework. There are several reasons why jobs are fewer now.
- Corporations like AOL, Enron and Anderson Consulting that abused the lax financial reporting practices (inacted in Bush Sr.'s term) finally have those lies caught up with them and are hurting big time. To make up for the losses major cutbacks were done and offices closed down.
- Many major companies, especially in the various entertainment industries, have been merging and acquiring each other. The end result is the company that was absorbed loses jobs. Sometimes lots.
- Offshoring jobs to countries with cheaper labor. It has been done before, but since 2000 it's almost become fashionable for corporations to take away American jobs and give them to someone for a tenth of the cost. The problem with this is most these companies don't need to save that money. They are just placating to stock holder greed.
- 9/11. Can't really fault anybody for this, but the fact of the matter is the financial center of our country was blasted away. That will have an effect on our economy. Keep in mind though we were in a recession before that happened.
That's all I can think of offhand. To just say people are lazy and don't want to work is stupid. Would you rather not work and at the same time have no home or food on the table or would you rather work and be able to support yourself and maybe a family? |
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| Re: disagree with FatBastard2 That maybe true but having more jobs and more money does mean that everyone is more fed then they were before. You're talking about materialistic here that is nonexistence.
if you have a billion dollars and their is nothing buy, what use is that? |
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kudos:1 | I doubt most people in the US have to worry about what to do with a billion dollars  |
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| said by RR Conductor:
I doubt most people in the US have to worry about what to do with a billion dollars
Why are we so crazy about money? It's quite worthless in itself cause some have half ass greedy scumbag will try to sue you for it. Just like with Michael Jackson's child molestation law suit. |
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kudos:1 | I couldn't agree with you more, money by itself is worthless, and I believe someday in the future, money will cease to be, but that gets into my religious beliefs, and I'll end it there |
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| Money is a convenience. A way to measure value for goods and services. Hopefully there will be a future will someone's needs are taken care of without resorting to a system that gets abused by material greed. Some of the happiest people in the world are people with hardly any money. |
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| said by SRFireside:
Money is a convenience. A way to measure value for goods and services. Hopefully there will be a future will someone's needs are taken care of without resorting to a system that gets abused by material greed. Some of the happiest people in the world are people with hardly any money.
most money is made illegitimately, poor service or just bloated altogether. we don't have a fair trade here, we have those who like to rip others off just for more money. why do some that work most hard get pay the least while some that hardly work at all get pay the most? this is what I am referring to.. |
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