jasqid
Fiber In Your Diet?
join:2002-04-02
East Palestine, OH
| reply to Morac
Re: Comcast fiber?
said by Morac  :
Comcast still has "wiggle room" in terms of increasing speeds and the like with what they have now yet they aren't in any rush to increase speeds even though it would require very little work.
Going to every town that Comcast services and running the fiber from the nodes to every house would be extremely expensive and time consuming.
Not to mention that in many areas (like mine) all the cables are underground. This would require Comcast to dig up the cables under streets and in peoples' yards in order to replace them. Not only would this require permission of the home owner, but it would be extremely costly. Plus who would re-sow the lawns when they are done?
The cable underground is usually not in conduit. At least it wasnt here. I'm refering to the Lead line down the road (I think it's R-11?) It's really thick stuff.
But from the pedestal in the yard to my house I put it in conduit! They can run the fiber down the road and I'll run it up to the road from my house!  |
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mbernste
Boosted
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ
 ·Comcast
·Optimum Online
| reply to PyThro
With our current regulatory climate here in NJ, we will be the 50th state to see fiber from Verizon. Kind of ironic, considering that NJ is (was?) the heart of the telecommunications industry with AT&T.
If VZ finally does fulfill their promise (heck, they even have prices and tiers now), I think they will compete big time with the cable operators. I would not be surprised if they omit a "no server" clause in their AUP. Like their DSL service, I do not expect to see caps. You want to know why Comcast stopped sending out bandwidth abuse letters? Its because of the VZ ad lambasting Comcast for their unknown usage limits and service terminations. VZ let out all the guns with Comcast with DSL, and will do the same with fiber.
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
| reply to PyThro
Wishful thinking but Verizon won't go bankrupt. With all the money they stole from PA and I read they only doing test markets for fiber to see what Verizon's cost is going to be for Fiber outlay they will probably halt for being to expensive before they go bankrupt. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West | reply to FiberInYourDiet
Really? One clue. Analog or Digital modulation of light? |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West | reply to PyThro
A snowball's chance in he'll |
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AEHMOTX
join:2004-04-12
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said by PyThro :
Here is your 2 year outlook. Verizon will fail with its fiber rollout, go bankrupt, Comcast buys them. Comcast fixes up Verizons fiber network and become bigger than Microsoft. GG.
Are you sure you really want that? Frankly I'd rather have it the other way around. |
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PyThro
join:2002-10-07 | reply to rody_44
Here is your 2 year outlook. Verizon will fail with its fiber rollout, go bankrupt, Comcast buys them. Comcast fixes up Verizons fiber network and become bigger than Microsoft. GG. |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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Even if they laid fiber to every home, do they even have the backbone bandwidth to support it?
I mean speeds over at least 20 megabits per house.
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to PyThro
everybody knows verizons history. including me. but listening to him they are not blowing smoke this time. 6 months we will know for sure. he said by then they will be laying fiber all over the place. of course he also said that they already started laying it in new developements and i dont see any from verizon. but he claimed its laid and working in test areas. everything tells youb verizon has to do it to survive. this is steo for them to not only
survive but to expand. i wonder gow long until they argue they shouldnt have to share the lines since they will now have fiber with video services. its going to be hard for the washington to make verizon share and not other companys that offer the same services just a little slower. |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| reply to rody_44
said by rody_44 :
i had a chance to speak to a engineer from verizon, he said the price wasnt decided yet. but said that verizon fully expects to kick comcasts ass. he went as far as predicting comcast would be unable to even stay in the game when the smoke clears. usually i would take a statement like that as a grain of salt. but speaking to him made me feel like they were planning a all out attack and stacking the deck ahead of time. the part that is going to really hurt comcast is the fact that direct tv programming is part of the package. the funny part was is how proud he was of what is going to be launched. i expect good things on the horizon for everybody. i know a war is coming. but i believe comcast will step up to the plate. oh yea i cant remember how many times he said comcast should have stayed out of the phone biz,
Heh yeah right. I talked to a verizon engineer who promised an RT was being put up 3k feet from me...that was 4 years ago. Verizon has a history of grandiose claims, i'll believe them when they manage to follow through on a single one.
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rody_44
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to PyThro
i had a chance to speak to a engineer from verizon, he said the price wasnt decided yet. but said that verizon fully expects to kick comcasts ass. he went as far as predicting comcast would be unable to even stay in the game when the smoke clears. usually i would take a statement like that as a grain of salt. but speaking to him made me feel like they were planning a all out attack and stacking the deck ahead of time. the part that is going to really hurt comcast is the fact that direct tv programming is part of the package. the funny part was is how proud he was of what is going to be launched. i expect good things on the horizon for everybody. i know a war is coming. but i believe comcast will step up to the plate. oh yea i cant remember how many times he said comcast should have stayed out of the phone biz, |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| reply to PyThro
Keep in mind Verizon has yet to announce what restrictions come with their packages.
Because if you honeslty believe Verizon is gonna charge 45 bucks a month for a 20mbps/2mbps pipe and let you run crazy with it then you need a reality check.
Almost every "residential" fiber provider who charges insanely cheap prices has bandwidth/tranfer caps and strict rules about no servers of any sort especially p2p.
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mbernste
Boosted
Premium,MVM
join:2001-06-30
Piscataway, NJ
·Comcast
·Optimum Online
| reply to Morac
said by Morac :
Comcast still has "wiggle room" in terms of increasing speeds and the like with what they have now yet they aren't in any rush to increase speeds even though it would require very little work.
In speaking to one of the top level engineers at Comcast a couple of years ago at a CATV hearing, he said there is no fundamental difference between our network and Cablevision's. If Cablevision can give 10/1, Comcast's current infrastructure can easily give that kind of speed. With some CMTS changes and a migration to DOCSIS 2.0, Comcast can match fiber speeds.
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | reply to Morac
Aren't those underground via conduit? Oh well seems that excuses are always found why not to do something.  |
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somebodeez
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-24
here
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Morac
said by Morac :
Not to mention that in many areas (like mine) all the cables are underground.
They could start in my area if they like - our stuff is above ground 
And even if our cable was underground, I wouldn't care about the lawn. That would be that much less grass I'd have to cut. Besides, the lawn would come back eventually.
C'mon, fellas I'll even bake cookies for you |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| reply to PyThro
Comcast still has "wiggle room" in terms of increasing speeds and the like with what they have now yet they aren't in any rush to increase speeds even though it would require very little work.
Going to every town that Comcast services and running the fiber from the nodes to every house would be extremely expensive and time consuming.
Not to mention that in many areas (like mine) all the cables are underground. This would require Comcast to dig up the cables under streets and in peoples' yards in order to replace them. Not only would this require permission of the home owner, but it would be extremely costly. Plus who would re-sow the lawns when they are done?
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | reply to FiberInYourDiet
Then comcast is ahead of the game in that manner over Verizon. Comcast just has to finish the "job" so to speak. Wouldn't it simplify the Comcast structure too not having Fiber to RF converters? |
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FiberInYourDiet
@comcast.n
| reply to PyThro
The only portion of the network that Comcast would need to replace in order to make it a fiber-only network would be the lines from each node to each house. The network is fiber from the CMTS station to the node, which then coverts the fiber-optic light signals into the radio frequency (RF) coaxial signals that then travel the rest of the way from the node to the house. This is enormous amounts of lines that would need to be replaced across the country to make this a reality. However, it probably would still be less than what Verizon most likely needs to replace. |
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draven
Premium,Mod
join:2002-02-20
my bunker
Host:
General Questions
No, I Will Not Fix..
| reply to neftv
said by neftv :
What a concept. I think Comcast could deploy FTTP to more homes quicker than Verizon could because Comcast almost has the ideal situation with the technology they offer today plus the got fiber to the streets already, right?
I am inclined to agree with this. I think you will see Comcast "keeping up with the Jones'" in this regard, especially with Brian Roberts' obsession with staying (or saying) one step ahead of the competition. |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | reply to PyThro
What a concept. I think Comcast could deploy FTTP to more homes quicker than Verizon could because Comcast almost has the ideal situation with the technology they offer today plus the got fiber to the streets already, right? |
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