davidnason
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Re: PestPatrol says: eAcceleration/StopSign are Clean!
SugarnSpyce - below is a link to an executable that will delete absolutely all of our stuff. Sometimes what you're seeing happens when some other anti-virus/spyware app deletes part of stop-sign but not all. SystemPatcher is a free component of stop-sign services that makes sure you have all the critical updates, especially Blaster and Sasser patches.
If you download and run »www.buttonware.net/pub/download/···tall.exe everything should be removed - all it does it remove eAcceleration files and registry entries.
You may be unwilling to "take the leap of faith" downloading an executable, but it is safe. If you'd rather call us, I can give you an 800# to call for a free tech support call (not tollfree from Australia, I imagine). If you need to talk to a person, email me and I'll give you my cellphone number.
David Nason
Chief Technology Officer
eAcceleration Corp.
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CalamityJane
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1 edit | Re: PestPatrol says: eAcceleration/StopSign are Cl
I think if you provided the link to the executable here that would be better. Others could analyze that and not have to ask SugarnSpyce to take the "Leap of Faith". That IS what you are trying to restablish right? Faith and Trust? Do it in public 
Edit: Typo
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keith2468
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2 edits | reply to SnowyOne
SnowyOne -
The battle is over. PestPatrol has changed sides, and soon the other competing vendors will change sides too.
So, while earlier arguments on the other side by those not in the industry were at least excusable, that time has passed. (Although I do find it charming that there are still people who cannot fathom multiple IT companies making the same mistake at the same time.)
Also, please keep in mind I wasn't endorsing the StopSign product. I was pointing out that other the makers of other products were commiting slander and possibly libel, as well as displaying a conflict of interest and a possible breech of professional ethics, by making the claims that files from the current version of the StopSign product were trojans or behaved like trojans.
The company making the claims I was concerned about investigated and dropped the claims. I'm happy they did the right thing -- and I so quickly (what was it, 36 hours, and on a weekend).
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As to what was in earlier versions of eAcceleration -- if someone still thinks they have any credible proof that eAcceleration violated the law by placing trojans on other people's computers without permission, why not take that information to your local police or the FBI and have them prosecuted.
The complainant would have to give their name to make the complaint, but if they have remotely credible proof, and they are a good citizen of the world, why would that be an issue? |
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SnowyOne
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Here's the link before it got edited out
If you download and run »www.buttonware.net/pub/download/···tall.exe everything should be removed safely.
& here's what PestPatrol had to say about the eaccelerator server at www.buttonware.net as of August 6th 2004
»www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/d/do···iver.asp
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CalamityJane
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Eustis, FL | reply to davidnason
Nice move your edit to make my post look silly. 
It wasn't when I posted it:) |
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keith2468
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Winnipeg, MB | But next to his post it does say his post was edited and when. |
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keith2468
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Winnipeg, MB | reply to SnowyOne
Yes SnowyOne, as of August 6, but PestPatrol recinded the criticisms you note about eAcceleration on August 8 and you failed to mention that.
I suggest we stop flaming the product. |
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CalamityJane
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Eustis, FL | reply to keith2468
I should remember to autoquote with this thread but I'm too blonde |
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keith2468
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| I'm always editing my posts. I can't think straight this time of night. It used to put an edited @ line at the bottom, so it was more obvious. Now the edited @ is over on the side and not so obvious.
I think if they give us the option to edit it is probably okay to do so.
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SnowyOne
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"SnowyOne -
The battle is over. PestPatrol has changed sides, and soon the other competing vendors will change sides too.
I hope it plays out that way too.
Does your "The battle is over. preempt any further discussion on the matter?
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davidnason
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Sorry, CalamityJane - shortly after I posted it I realized I need to make sure I had the link correct before someone hammered me for a bad link - so I edited it out while I used ftp to verify the link was good and current. Then I edited it back in.
I then saw your request for the link - and immediately emailed you a note describing what happened. And got hammered on anyway.
I've also been emailing with Sugarnspyce.
David Nason |
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CalamityJane
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Eustis, FL | I just think we need to do this out in the open. That will give you the credibility. |
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SnowyOne
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Re: PestPatrol says: eAcceleration/StopSign are Clean!
Yes SnowyOne, as of August 6, but PestPatrol recinded the criticisms you note about eAcceleration on August 8 and you failed to mention that.
as of August 6th?
What have I left out?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Mackin [mailto:kmackin@pestpatrol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:07 AM
To: David Nason
The PP link clearly states they updated (revisited) that page on August 6th.
Is it simply a matter of timing?
"Our practice is such that your product's description should be removed in the next day or so,..."
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SugarnSpyce
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Australia | reply to SugarnSpyce
I want to thank David for all his help with removing Accelerator from my computer. He is very professional and I wish him and his company all the best in the future. |
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John2g
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said by keith2468  :
That many AV and ASW products detected the downloader is merely because many AV and ASW vendors share files amongst themselves in different groups. With so many low hazard files, and during busy times, they don't do their own fresh research to confirm that the file is really a genuine threat.
So one AV analyst somewhere has a bad day, or gets a bee in his bonnet, and it is during a busy time of the year, and the next thing one knows 30 AV and ASW products end up with a false positive.
I do not believe that for one single moment. If that were the case, all the AV's would have the same definitions and all would detect the same nasties. This is patently not true. You only have to read the complaints in the main Security forum where one AV detects something and the others don't.
I know they share samples, but I don't believe they share analysis of them.
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dadkins
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Sorry but, it looks like PestPatrol STILL has it listed as of Aug.9,2004 @ 9:50 AM PST...
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Jrb2
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It is absolutely unclear for me why someone would try to give some credits to his/her product by starting a thread with the title "PestPatrol says: eAcceleration/StopSign are Clean!"
Are you serious?
Do you really think that that is a good recommendation?
PP, infamous for its false positives, infamous for not updating its site, infamous... well the list could go on.
PP being a member of COAST together with for example "noadware". |
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Bubba
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| reply to davidnason
Verdict is still out personally....but when IE-Spyad removes eAcceleration/eAnthology/StopSign....it causes me to keep a keen eye open for further developements.
"For a list of additions and changes to the most recent common list from which both AGNIS and IE-SPYAD were built, see this summary".
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Additions & Changes to AGNIS & IE-SPYAD
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Additions & Changes (8/8/04)
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; eAcceleration/eAnthology/StopSign
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; accelerationsw.com (disable & move)
; buttonware.com (disable & move)
; buttonware.net (disable & move)
; clicksales.com (disable & move)
; downloadsales.com (disable & move)
; eacceleration.com (disable & move)
; eanthology.net (disable & move)
; homepageware.com (disable & move)
; oodlz.com (disable & move)
; signupsales.com (disable & move)
; stop-sign.com (disable & move)
; veloz.com (disable & move)
; webcelerator.com (disable & move) |
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keith2468
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| reply to davidnason
quote:
Does your "The battle is over. preempt any further discussion on the matter?
My feeling is we talk about problems in all kinds of security software all the time, and this product should be no different. As users talk about its real problems that we ourselves actually encounter with it. As non-users, compare it with other products.
If someone has their own credible proof that the law against theft of computer or the law against theft of telecommunications services was broken by a publicly traded US company, and they live in the USA, then as a good citizen (and as a professional if that is what they are), they have a duty to report that to the police and have it investigated and dealt with properly.
Those who were in the forum 6 months ago saw a couple of other vendors squabbling openly about each others products. That happens. Then they take a breath and get sensible again.
It would have served no good purpose, and it would have played into the hands of the blackhats, for the rest of us to keep throwing the vendors' past squabble up their faces after they'd made up.
Blackhats love it when the whitehats waste time, energy and resources squabbling.
As for convincing some of you that many vendors sometimes collaborate in ways other than just sharing suspicious files:
- We all visit forums and we see what is discussed. That constitutes one more form of sharing.
- And we've all seen press reports of what goes on at BlackHat Briefings and that is another form of sharing.
So if you think about it, we already know more is being shared than just files, but I can accept that the implications of this sharing, and how it relates to the symptoms we are seeing, is not necessarily obvious to everyone.
And then you have school teacher logic. If 20 out of 50 students all have the same odd mistake on a test, it indicates collaboration. And if some students put down the answer without showing the work (like Kaspersky in this instance, has a signature but has no write-up) that indicates collaboration or outside assistance. Of course in the real world of IT collaboration of isn't cheating.
I know this won't convince everyone about what is collaborated on, but that is okay.
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Jrb2
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said by Bubba :
Verdict is still out personally....but when IE-Spyad removes eAcceleration/eAnthology/StopSign....it causes me to keep a keen eye open for further developements.
OK, thanks Bubba !
Thanks also to Eric and other posters.
I posted too quickly ; oops...
I think I need to take my words back.
Sorry ! |
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