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|  As was discussed earlier...
Even though Microsoft doesn't want to approve of piracy, a unpatched desktop is worse than going after the pirates. Microsoft knew that there would be HUGE problems if they didn't allow all copies of Windows XP to be patched with this release. With all the zombie and exploited machines out there, I can understand why they did this.
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
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"There have been a number of discussions on this newsgroup regarding whether SP2 will install on non-genuine (aka "pirated") versions of Windows. Here is the official Microsoft position on this topic:
We expect that nearly all Windows XP users, running genuine or pirated Windows, will have access to the security technologies in SP2. The same users that were blocked from installing SP1 - those that have used a small set of legacy pirated product keys - will be blocked from installing SP2. We believe that there are very few systems in use today that use these keys -- in other words, the pirates have moved on to other keys which we are not blocking.
So how do we charaterize our policy?
We want to make sure that the broadest number of people can install SP2. The nature of malicious attacks on computer users is constantly changing and we will continue to evaluate how we deal with security updates for pirated versions of Windows to best protect our genuine Windows customers.
Thanks,
Gary Schare
Microsoft"
From »www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=9214
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dosbubba
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said by Nightfall  :
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
By not (if it was actually possible) allowing pirates, many of the users would switch to a free Unix-like operating system rather than pay for Windows. Allowing pirates lets Windows better compete with Linux and *BSD. |
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Camelot One
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said by Nightfall :
Even though Microsoft doesn't want to approve of piracy, a unpatched desktop is worse than going after the pirates.
I agree completely. I certainly understand the argument for not allowing pirates to upgrade, but forcing them to run unpatched/compromised machines only hurts people who HAVE paid for their MS software.
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Nightfall
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said by dosbubba :
said by Nightfall :
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
By not (if it was actually possible) allowing pirates, many of the users would switch to a free Unix-like operating system rather than pay for Windows. Allowing pirates lets Windows better compete with Linux and *BSD.
If Linux could run every application that Windows could run, I might agree with your statement. The fact of the matter is that *nix is an entirely different ball of wax than Windows. Not allowing pirates to upgrade wouldn't result in a huge move over to *nix. At least until *nix could run EVERYTHING that windows can run.
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BIGMIKE
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Re: Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
Despite Microsoft's best efforts to thwart piracy, underground sources indicate a key generator is now available to crack the upcoming release of Service Pack 2 for the Windows XP operating system.:D
Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
»www.theinquirer.net/?article=17010 |
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Camelot One
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clubs: | Well, I would imagine so. SP2 just blocks previous "known" pirate keys, so it wouldn't take much work to put together a keygen that excluded the same keys. |
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loserhead
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Re: As was discussed earlier...
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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Wills
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| I could fill this entire page with software that doesn't run on *nix platforms.
And 5 years from now, linux will not be the norm. It hasn't been and it never will be. 5 years ago people like you said the same thing and it didn't come true then and it won't come true now.
Entirely because of my first statement.
Supporting an operating system is one thing. Spreading FUD about it because of your undying blind support is another.
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dosbubba
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| said by Wills :
I could fill this entire page with software that doesn't run on *nix platforms.
He didn't say that any program that can run on Windows can run on *nix. He said there are equivalent programs under different names.
said by Wills :
Supporting an operating system is one thing. Spreading FUD about it because of your undying blind support is another.
What part of "dontshare"'s statements was FUD about Linux? |
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Nightfall
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said by Wills :
I could fill this entire page with software that doesn't run on *nix platforms.
And 5 years from now, linux will not be the norm. It hasn't been and it never will be. 5 years ago people like you said the same thing and it didn't come true then and it won't come true now.
Entirely because of my first statement.
Supporting an operating system is one thing. Spreading FUD about it because of your undying blind support is another.
I agree and you are correct.
Don't get me wrong, *nix is a great OS. I have been running it since 1996, but all I really do with it is play around. I understand its advantages and limitations. I am also experienced enough to know they are not the same. I can't believe the FUD the previous user posted...on second thought....I would expect that from a *nix worshiper.
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said by loserhead :
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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Linux cannot do everything that Windows can do. Mainstream Linux OS's that compete with Windows are much further than 5 years away...sorry. There are many hurdles....like the technical level of the average user, software compatibility issues, and general acceptance by the public - to name a few. *nix has it's place in the computer world, a single-digit percentage of marketshare. Even Apple will take over before Linux, and figure the odds of that taking place.
Good Luck though! 
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Re: Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
If I did something like that, my post would be gone in about 30 sec...:D
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Jeremy341
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Re: As was discussed earlier...
said by loserhead :
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
Yeah, maybe if you're talking about a calculator app. Once you get into more complex applications, the tripe thrown together by a bunch of hobbyists on Linux can't hold a candle to the extremely polished and mature software available for Windows. |
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cdrworm
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In the next few years linux will be able to run 95% of Windows apps with CrossOver Office (a commercial version of WINE).
Right now CrossOver runs a majority of popular Windows apps natively under Linux at the same performance as if not better.
I do however get better network performance under Linux and IE does run really smooth.
We have grown dependent on Windows. Thats why we continue to say we need Windows apps. There are plenty of open source apps that are alternatives to proprietary software that are pretty good, ie. OpenOffice.org an alternative to Ms Office minus the $500 price tag. Not only works on Windows and Linux but many OSes.
Microsoft has something to worry about now. It now has more competition. Linux now has more desktop market share than Mac, and the Tech industry and major players are moving towards it. It can get ugly for MS because it's the Tech Industry vs Microsoft. It will be free vs proprietary, when we say "free" it's not in terms of price. But Free as in Freedom and not as much as free as in Freeware.
Linux wont go away. It's being embraced by big business because of its lower cost. Microsoft's FUD will continue, it's great viral mind control, but until we zombies wake up will will believe whatever the big dogs say. The truth will set you free. |
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| "In the next few years linux will be able to run 95% of Windows apps with CrossOver Office (a commercial version of WINE)."
Too bad that their are literaly hundreds of thousands of programs out there for windows. The most common applications are office, IE, music players, adobe programs, winzip, aol/msn messengers, antivirus, firewall, and there are more. Aside from that, most people have a few programs that aren't well known. Take for example filehound. I bet most of you don't use this, but I use it because it's one of the best damn downloading programs out there. I've been using it since I had a 14.4k connection, and even now with broadband I use it. I bet it doesn't run on *nix.
And talk about driver compatibility. Good luck finding hardware manufacturers that make *nix drivers. There only happens to be 50 different versions of linux, whereas windows has 98, ME, 2000, and XP and apple has os 8, 9 and 10.
My point is, the problem with a free world is that there are too many different distributions. As soon as you add considerable price, the little guys run away, and you are left with a few solid players.
*nix has a great presence in the server market, but it's going to be a long time before it is accepted in the home, and on workstations, especially since support is on a pay $100 or more basis. |
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Something's plain fishy here...
What type of cracked keys are these? Knowingly cracked ones or ones obtained through a keygen?
This doesn't sound like the Microsoft I know. I wouldn't put it past them that this is a sort of "sting" tactic on their part. Letting the people with cracked windows copies be lured into using it, and then being caught. Never underestimate the business cleverness of Bill Gates...
Anyways, I'm still very surprised Microsoft would give the crackers such a big win, sad. 
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said by Mustard Tongue:
Too bad that their are literaly hundreds of thousands of programs out there for windows. The most common applications are office, IE, music players, adobe programs, winzip, aol/msn messengers, antivirus, firewall, and there are more.
I'm not going to jump into the tired OS flame war, but it really needs to be pointed out that this is a remarkably spurious argument, and one that leans towards ignorance.
There is just as much software for *nix as there is for Windows. The difference is that *nix software is open sourced, and thus *free* and available for download off the internet. Yes, there is certainly free software out there for Windows as well, but its an increasingly shrinking selection, where as the open source movement grows every day by its very definition.
To use your examples, in reverse, Linux has Open Office, multiple browsers (some superior to the old IE), adobe clones (and Adobe supports linux), zip is built in (along with multiple other compression standards), antivirus is not needed, a very robust firewall is built in, etc etc etc.
Saying things like "Linux must suck because it can't run WinZip" is like saying Dodge sucks because you can't install a Ford head gasket. And whats more, the truth is that Linux is significantly more flexible and scalable than other mainstream OSes. That's just a fact, as anyone who runs Linux knows.
Look you can like Windows or like Linux, or BSD, or Mac OS, or whatever. But when criticising the alternative, know what you're talking about. As is, you're just spreading disinformation.
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ps. Expensive support? You haven't called Microsoft for support lately, have you?  |
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dontshare, you're clearly new to this. Linux groupies have been saying this for 10 years.
Linux will NOT be predominant on the desktop in five years. I will bet you large sums of money on that.
Also, Linux can NOT do everything that can be done on windows.
Please don't tell me that GIMP is a photoshop replacement. GIMP is a sorry excuse for an attempt at a photoshop-type program.
Multimedia is still very lacking on Linux; the most recent non-linear editing program for Linux hasn't been updated for four years.
I can go on and on, this is the typical crap war that starts.. but what you're saying just isn't true, or else Linux would already be the leader.
And don't tell me Linux doesn't have its own share of technical caveats. Do you really think the average Joe User is going to be figuring out RPM dependencies and compiling kernels? Please. Enough of this.
Pirate-proofing Windows XP will do NOTHING to move people over Linux. Your point is invalid. |
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