Barber_91
join:2004-01-14
Kingston, ON
| Copyright Infringement Email
I know there is another topic on this in the forum, but I wanted to ask a few specific questions that weren't addressed. At least that I saw.
In case you haven't seen any threads on this, I recieved a forwarded email from Cogeco that was originally from the MPAA (I think). Basically it suggested that Cogeco limit access to the site www.suprnova.org and that I was sharing the movie RAGING BULL online via BitTorrent. That's not entirely true. Although I tried to download the movie, the download speed was so slow I stopped the DL about 20 mins in. So while it's true I shared that movie, I really only shared about 2MB worth for about 20 mins. Whatever.:D
1) Will Cogeco cancel my access to the net if this happens again?/Should I stop using BitTorrent. I probably download 2 movies a year TOPS.
I'm thinking I should ignore this email and continue on as normal.....is that a dumb thing to do?
On another note....
2) I also have about 2500 MP3's on my computer (I own the CD's these MP3's came from), and I have been sharing these songs via FTP with 3 or 4 friends. Is this a bad idea given my last email? |
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Kenny Rogers
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join:2002-04-23
Kingston, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| yeah, I started the other thread on this matter. From what other members of this board have said is that Canadians are safe in regards to downloading and sharing music because of a "loophole" in our copyright laws or something like that.
So do what I did and just ignore the e-mails. Basically they are scare tactics to try to get people to stop. It's also just to say that Cogeco notified the user about the complaint.
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FusionGuy
join:2001-12-06 |  reply to Barber_91
So how does this work? Does the MPAA see your IP and then it traces it to the ISP (Cogeco), sends the e-mail to them and then Cogeco sends it out to the e-mail that the IP address is linked too? |
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
3 edits | said by FusionGuy  :
So how does this work? Does the MPAA see your IP and then it traces it to the ISP (Cogeco), sends the e-mail to them and then Cogeco sends it out to the e-mail that the IP address is linked too?
Yes 
Very easy for them [MPAA, RIAA, NAACP, MLB, PPCTGRH, etc..] to do with Bittorrent and the like, unfortunately. |
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StEC
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
| reply to Barber_91
Untill the loopholes are plugged, Ignore it.
And it would be wrong for Cogeco to block access to suprnova just because the MPAA want them too LOL. Sorry this next part is a bit off topic - What gets me is they ask for a sharing site to be blocked but yet there are thousands of sites with child porn, all they care about is their $$$ nothing else.
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
2 edits | said by StEC :
Untill the loopholes are plugged, Ignore it.
And it would be wrong for Cogeco to block access to suprnova just because the MPAA want them too LOL. Sorry this next part is a bit off topic - What gets me is they ask for a sharing site to be blocked but yet there are thousands of sites with child porn, all they care about is their $$$ nothing else.
Excellent point! It's a shame. Personally, since they care so much about piracy, I feel the only logical step these goons should take is to focus their efforts on SUPRNOVA (and whatnot) and its multiple mirrors. They're the ones offering up this stuff with ease. More and more people learn about it every day. What a waste of time and resources, grabbing IPs and sending out thousands of emails to ISPs and "forcing" them to notify their customers. Guh, worse than SPAM. At least spam can make you laugh sometimes.
Oh, and the lawsuits in the US against individuals! HARDEE HAR HAR!
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Barber_91
Actually, Canadian providers aren't 'forced' since the DMCA has no jurisdiction up here. Canadian providers do it as more of a courtesy, when in reality they probably don't care and laugh at the request as much as we do.
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
2 edits | said by Snickerdo :
Actually, Canadian providers aren't 'forced' since the DMCA has no jurisdiction up here. Canadian providers do it as more of a courtesy, when in reality they probably don't care and laugh at the request as much as we do.
Yeah... I know that. That's why I used quotations around "forcing". |
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Keith
Why Ask Than?
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join:2002-10-28
Fort Erie, ON | reply to Barber_91
»Empty DMCA Threats |
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| reply to Barber_91
American authorities and businesses aften do not think things through before they start trying to enforce extra territorial laws.
But trying does not mean carrying through successfully.
Just as it is a violation of US law for a company to refuse to follow Arab boycotts and refuse to trade with Israel, so it is against Canadian law to refuse to trade with Cuba.
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XoX
join:2003-08-19
Sherbrooke, QC
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Thnikkaman
said by Thnikkaman :
Excellent point! It's a shame. Personally, since they care so much about piracy, I feel the only logical step these goons should take is to focus their efforts on SUPRNOVA (and whatnot) and its multiple mirrors. They're the ones offering up this stuff with ease. More and more people learn about it every day. What a waste of time and resources, grabbing IPs and sending out thousands of emails to ISPs and "forcing" them to notify their customers. Guh, worse than SPAM. At least spam can make you laugh sometimes.
Oh, and the lawsuits in the US against individuals! HARDEE HAR HAR!
They can't do anything about Suprnova because ain't hosted anywhere where they hold any power... At least for now. |
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
1 edit | said by XoX :
They can't do anything about Suprnova because ain't hosted anywhere where they hold any power... At least for now.
So, it's a waste of effort to go after something in a place where you "hold no power"? Funny, isn't it?
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Sancus
join:2002-10-17 | Even then, suprnova does nothing illegal. All they host is torrent files, which are just pointers to the trackers, basically. They don't have any copyrighted software, movies, or anything else on their servers. |
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
1 edit | said by Sancus :
Even then, suprnova does nothing illegal. All they host is torrent files, which are just pointers to the trackers, basically. They don't have any copyrighted software, movies, or anything else on their servers.
Everyone knows they don't host files.
They're responsible for the massive success of pirating with Bittorrent. They are absolutely accountable (albeit, perhaps not technically under current statues). One doesn't need to actually commit a crime to be held responsible. Suprnova and the like are their problem, not the millions upon millions who will never stop using such a simplistic and available method of retrieving pirated material. Bittorrent requires links to trackers. Suprnova is the biggest provider of these links. The very nature of Bittorrent makes them responsible. If the laws of the United States, Canada and countless other countries are not set up to deal with entities like Suprnova, then they'll have to fight to bring in new laws to deal with them. This is their enormous challenge, but one that in the end they'll need to win if they truly want to stem the tide of piracy. Is it possible any time soon? Probably not.
My opinion, once again, is that going after individuals is an enormous waste of time and resources. If they can't defeat the likes of suprnova and kazaa, then they need to fight harder... or, better yet, continue to think up new promotions and new revenue streams for their media. In the end, lawsuits brought against 12 year olds and grannies are self defeating.
Suprnova could easily make it their mission to not provide links to clearly pirated works, but they don't. Suprnova mirrors know why they exist. There are plenty of legal bittorrent sites out there. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| said by Thnikkaman :
One doesn't need to actually commit a crime to be held responsible.
And that's where you're totally, 100% incorrect. They are not the ones committing the actual copyright infringement, therefore they are NOT responsible. That's how the law works. By your argument, people who sell guns should be responsible for violent crime. Again, your argument is bogus.
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FusionGuy
join:2001-12-06 | reply to Barber_91
How is it that only people that download the torrent files from supernova get these e-mails and not other torrent search sites? Is it something in the torrent file that lets them know it was downloaded from supernova? |
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Thnikkaman
join:2004-07-05
Canada
2 edits | reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :
said by Thnikkaman :
One doesn't need to actually commit a crime to be held responsible.
And that's where you're totally, 100% incorrect. They are not the ones committing the actual copyright infringement, therefore they are NOT responsible. That's how the law works. By your argument, people who sell guns should be responsible for violent crime. Again, your argument is bogus.
Guns are not illegal. Pirated material is. Fix your logic. Stores that sell pirated material are shut down. Thanks.
My point is, conspiring and helping to commit a crime makes you ethically accountable. |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to FusionGuy
said by FusionGuy :
How is it that only people that download the torrent files from supernova get these e-mails and not other torrent search sites? Is it something in the torrent file that lets them know it was downloaded from supernova?
It's probably because the MPAA is only monitoring the more popular torrents on Suprnova. Regardless, it is not illegal for you to be downloading these items as ruled by a Canadian court. Have fun, be thankful that the previous Heritage Minister lost her seat, and enjoy the fun while it lasts.
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Thnikkaman
said by Thnikkaman :
Guns are not illegal. Pirated material is. Fix your logic. Stores that sell pirated material are shut down. Thanks.
It's illegal for someone to kill someone with a gun, but that does not mean the person who sold the gun is a criminal. Again, YOUR logic is flawed, and one is NOT responsible for a crime that they did not commit. Anyone who took high school-level law class can tell you that.
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Thnikkaman
said by Thnikkaman :
My point is, conspiring and helping to commit a crime makes you ethically accountable.
Ethically, perhaps, but the law is very very clear on this issue, and only in very specific circumstances can someone be held for conspiracy to commit. Copyright infringement is not one of them. Game over.
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