hrmhrm
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yea i came across this yesterday and was dissappointed that i didn't get a chance to participate.... i mean i can understand that microsoft wants to have "control" over all of the distribution but what does it really matter in the end if they're just gonna give it out to everyone anyway?
They should roll with new technologies, not try to fight them.
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SaBo7Ge
join:2003-03-12
US
1 edit | The reason is quite simple actually.. Allowing anyone to host and seed a torrent means microsoft can't always verfify the consistency of the data being shared.. This can allow for tampering of products which could place the author partly responsible if they don't try to keep control over their sources of distribution... |
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Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
1 edit | said by SaBo7Ge  :
The reason is quite simple actually.. Allowing anyone to host and seed a torrent means microsoft can't always verfify the consistency of the data being shared.. This can allow for tampering of products which could place the author partly responsible if they don't try to keep control over their sources of distribution...
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
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public
join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA | reply to SaBo7Ge
Ever heard of MD5 or SHA? |
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ksuderman
join:2001-10-21
Poughkeepsie, NY
| Ever heard of Microsoft security holes and/or uneducated/unknowing users? BT may have lots of potential, but distributing critical OS updates likely isn't the place to start.
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
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said by Goldengamego :
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
They will .... eventually. MS moves slowly toward new technology unless:
1) some new technology company has already started to remove marketshare from something MS already does,
2) they can go out and purchase a small company that already polished a new tech for them.
When they actually have to integrate a new-into-existing technology all by themselves MS tends to play the lumbering giant; big, slow, dumb. It's the nature of a large marketing entity rather than a development entity. |
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DB7654321
join:2004-07-15
Paris, IL | ...And when/if MS does add some BT capability to their software distribution, you can be sure it will be fscked beyond recognition. |
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jedidude
join:2004-02-21
Apo, AE | reply to public
From public:
Ever heard of MD5 or SHA?
Looks like MD5 and SHA will need an overhaul:
»Crypto Flaws Exposed |
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JimmySask
join:2004-06-24
Regina, SK
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The other problem with using BT to to distribute (although only if it is integrated to the update process) is the very nature of BT. It is a "tit for tat" filesharing system, which requires you to upload in order to download. Anyone remember Kazaa? I can already imagine the number of people getting upset that MS is "stealing" their bandwidth, even if it is in a licensing agreement, just because that's the way people are. This is especially true when you factor in the lovely bitcaps some providers have, and large downloads like SP2. Allowing people to use it freely would be cool, but MS would have to keep a careful distance from it because anyone can post a torrent file, based on what they want to call it, as opposed to the actual contents of the file. |
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
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join:2004-04-13
Canada | reply to jedidude
not only that, but if you ever work tech support you will learn, people (atleast a large percentage of them) when it comes to computers are as dumb as sh** on the ground and less useful |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
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said by Goldengamego :
Then why don't they just integrate BT into BITS/AU and Windows Update? They could save millions in bandwidth.
Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s.
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Solo_Senshi
@adelphia.net | I got to download SP2 from this torrent before it was removed, it had plenty of seeds and I got speeds of 200Kb/s or more. If your getting low speeds it's because you don't have your firewall set to allow bittorrent the use of the ports it needs. |
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adelphiasux
Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | reply to dvd536
QUOTE - "Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s."
If you knew what you were doing you could just about max out your bandwidth- I use BT all the time and can get up to 320 KB/s with it.. You have to know how to configure your client, it's very easy if you take the time to read a few paragraphs and learn the basics. Don't just give up when you see it going slow for the first couple of minutes. |
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Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
2 edits | said by adelphiasux :
QUOTE - "Maybe because microsoft doesnt want people to have to endure BT's speed. i sure wouldnt want to download a 300mb service pack at 8kb/s."
If you knew what you were doing you could just about max out your bandwidth- I use BT all the time and can get up to 320 KB/s with it.. You have to know how to configure your client, it's very easy if you take the time to read a few paragraphs and learn the basics. Don't just give up when you see it going slow for the first couple of minutes.
No kidding, I have seen 622KB/s downloading Knoppix off BT
It all depends on 4 things,
1. Good config (not firewalled, low packet loss).
2. Good tracker (powerfull CPU, lots of RAM, decent upload bandwidth).
3. Ratio of seeds to leaches.
4. Number of firewalled leaches (lots of these will really slow things down).
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Goldengamego
Premium
join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
1 edit | reply to JimmySask
The protocol is open and the code is available for modification (the license allows you to modify without releasing the modified source), it could be redone so the .torrent is passed to BITS/AU without any user interaction or just remove .torrents entirely.
BT is very different from that Kazaa crap, if enough seeds available you don't have to upload. Microsoft could config it so that only BB users will use BT (that would still save lots). With BT you only upload while you are downloading, after that Windows would install the update and delete the file.
Also don't bring up the whole corprate/school/goverment networks are behind a firewall thing, they use SUS to get their updates.
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adelphiasux
Hope Tw Is Better
join:2003-06-29
Horseheads, NY
1 edit | reply to Goldengamego
quote:
"No kidding, I have seen 622KB/s downloading Knoppix off BT
It all depends on 4 things,
1. Good config (not firewalled, low packet loss).
2. Good tracker (powerfull CPU, lots of RAM, decent upload bandwidth).
3. Ratio of seeds to leaches.
4. Number of firewalled leaches (lots of these will really slow things down).
yeah and before I got my router I used Sygate personal Firewall 5.5 pro and still got great results- using a software firewall is not a problem for me. Now I'm going through a router and haven't even tried BT download yet. Azureus is the way to go for configurability- it works great.
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