Count Hogula3
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Re: It's great for novice users
Then that's their loss, not yours. If someone isn't willing to listen to your or anyone else's OBVIOUS reason, then they deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, I'm sure there are plenty of novices out there who hear about security problems, especially with IE but don't have a clue as to where to start and would appreciate your advice.
Personally I think Firefox is good enough now that novice users can use it without issue and the most popular addins are easily installed should someone want to install them.
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Steve
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| said by Count Hogula3  :
then they deserve whatever they get.
It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent.
Steve
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Count Hogula3
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| said by Steve :
said by Count Hogula3 :
then they deserve whatever they get.
It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent.
Steve
I know plenty of net'tards and I can only give them my advice. If they don't and something happens...then they deserve the consequences.
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garagerock
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| said by Count Hogula3 :
said by Steve :
said by Count Hogula3 :
then they deserve whatever they get.
It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent.
Steve
I know plenty of net'tards and I can only give them my advice. If they don't and something happens...then they deserve the consequences.
Wow, great logic. I guess the next time you decide to dissect your garage door opener (for example) and you don't adhere to your neighbor's advice that you shouldn't do that, we should all drive over and laugh at you? I'm amazed endlessly at the amount of snobbery that STILL exists about internet usage. Whooo boy, YOU know what you're doing, so you deserve to be a snob about it to the point of chiding others and calling them "net'tards"? This is the internet, right-not 14th Century French Classical Literature written by only women? Great way to encourage usage. Hope you're not in education at all, that's not good logic.
Positive reinforcement is far more effective. I can snicker to myself all day long about how User A installed Trojan B, but the SOLUTION to the problem isn't snickering in front of User A. One simple conversation without being an ass about it does the trick. It's worked for me for 15 years now. |
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Count Hogula3
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4 edits | Snob about it? So now giving advice is being a snob? So THINKING they deserve what they get if they ignore the advice is being a snob.
:sigh: Whatever. You believe whatever you want and do whatever you want to do. In the meantime...READ the posts before replying to them. Nowhere do I mention that novices should be lashed upon, only that they reep what they sow.
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Mike
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clubs:   | Giving advice is a not a problem.
The holier than thou attitude doesn't help your cause. |
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garagerock
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said by Count Hogula3 :
Snob about it? So now giving advice is being a snob? So THINKING they deserve what they get if they ignore the advice is being a snob.
:sigh: Whatever. You believe whatever you want and do whatever you want to do. In the meantime...READ the posts before replying to them. Nowhere do I mention that novices should be lashed upon, only that they reep what they sow.
I did read your post, and read "net'tards" as a term you used, and you also said if they don't follow your advice, that they get what they deserve. Sorry, but if "net'tards" isn't derogatory and snobby, then I'm not sure what is.
Not to mention that your "advice" isn't the be-all end-all on this topic, so again, having that position is snobbery, IMHO. |
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feek
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you are a huge nerd |
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Count Hogula3
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4 edits | reply to garagerock
That's fine. Still doesn't change the fact they users reap what they sow.
And being so offended about "net'tards"...get over it. I'm sure your post history includes evidence of you being a big meany too guy. Like you calling clrankin's opinion asinine isn't being holier than thou? He's being asinine when he doesn't buy your political rhetoric and you're cooler for it but I'm a big meany for classifying those who ignore advice given to them by someone who knows (no matter who the "expert" happens to be) a net'tard.
I can certainly value Mike's opinion about my comment, but you are a hypocrite. |
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Count Hogula3
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1 edit | reply to Mike
said by Mike :
Giving advice is a not a problem.
The holier than thou attitude doesn't help your cause.
I have no cause...but point taken.
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garagerock
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Let me break it down for you:
You called people "net'tards" because they don't have your "skill level" or whatever it is you believe you have that you can hold over those not as educated as you, because they won't take your "advice".
I called an individual "asinine" about that persons views. Judging from your avatar, you seem to be nakedly defending those on your side of the political fence and generalizing about users in general, not one individual. That sir is called "stereotyping". If I painted everyone with your viewpoint as asinine, as you did with uneducated users, then I could see the logic.
You didn't though; you chose to try and defend stereotyping users as "net'tards" for not adhering to your golden advice. Simple enough, eh? |
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Count Hogula3
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Corona, CA | In your fantasy world sure. But I'm done wasting time on you. Have a great afternoon. |
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garagerock
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| So that's all you've got? Weak. Of course you won't "waste time" by actually trying to defend your "asinine" stereotyping of the uneducated masses. Pathetic.
Folks, there's no defense for stereotyping in this way. But of course, those who would have asinine avatars like this joker, who don't have shit in the issues department but everything in the "Rush Limbaugh said it was true" department, try to rationalize their positions through insults. I'm a hypocrite, though, so don't listen to me.
Back to topic: less educated users don't need to be called "net'tards", they just need to be enlightened by skeedatl, who apparently has all the answers. |
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Count Hogula3
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| Just like you aren't stereotyping me for my avatar?!? Now you turn this into another one of your political rants?
ROTFLMAO!
Whatever hypocrite. Happy thread crapping!
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garagerock
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| said by Count Hogula3 :
Just like you aren't stereotyping me for my avatar?!? Now you turn this into another one of your political rants?
ROTFLMAO!
Whatever hypocrite. Happy thread crapping!
Let's see, if I put a Bush avatar with him smoking a bong, would you comment on it? Most likely. That makes you far more of a hypocrite than me.
You have that avatar, so you invite political rantings. Since you must be in the 3rd grade, you probably don't get that.
And again, genuius, stereotying is generalizing about more than one person. (a distinction you must not have learned about yet in 3rd grade). Unless you have multiple personalities, you are one person, right?
And, if I'm such a thread crapper, why do you respond? It must be because you are agitated that someone took the time and effort to call you out on your obvious elitism by calling the less educated "net'tards". I'm sure it just pisses you off to no end that I keep repeating what you said about other people. |
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Mike
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clubs: | you two acting like net tards now, take it out in Novemeber, not here. |
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Count Hogula3
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said by garagerock :
And again, genuius, stereotying is generalizing about more than one person. (a distinction you must not have learned about yet in 3rd grade). Unless you have multiple personalities, you are one person, right?
I must have misread it when you threw me in with all Rush Limbaugh fans (whatever Rush Limbaugh as to do with Firefox I'll never know). And you responded to my post whining about "net'tard" not the other way around. But whatever. You saw my avatar and entered into another one of your political rants. Get over my avatar and save your political rants for another forum.
Meanwhile I stand by my original post...which is if someone ignores the suggestions of people familiar with their situation then they DESERVE the result and only THEY are to blame for it. Anyone who doesn't like it can KMA.
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