B
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Re: What a relief. But...
said by jsouth  :
My point is that they are not censoring anything.
I'm sorry, but you're just not seeing it -- of COURSE they're censoring -- you just said so! They're censoring much of the Internet for children ("things that children should not see", whatever those are -- as defined by the censorware companies, I assume), and they are also apparently permanently censoring all "porn"ography!
Not to mention that having to ask permission to use unencumbered access is a bit intrusive and embarrassing, kind of like doing price checks on condoms over the store loudspeaker.
I'm not saying libraries shouldn't be selective, or that Hott Wett Slutz 2005 should be on the magazine rack, I'm just trying to define the discussion better.
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Jsouth
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Wichita, KS | reply to B
My point is that they are not censoring anything. The filters just keep things that children should not see out of their reach. Anything an adult wants with the exception of porn are there for the asking. All you have to do is ask. |
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B
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Please remember that I'm not drawing a distinction among books, Internet, CD's, magazines, filmstrips, or any other library resources. Though I certainly don't think Internet access should be policed more heavily than the contents of the shelves (though it seems to be in many cases).
My point is that there is PLENTY of stuff in a public library that might be objectionable to someone. Books have been banned and burned for far too long. (I certainly don't want to rehash Twain and Vonnegut and Steinbeck and Salinger et al. here.) New media is not really very different (not that I particularly appreciate most new music or most movies or web sites, but that's the point too!).
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Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
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Offensive possibly but winnable in a court case no chance. That and keeping porn away from kids. Yes I do live with a library that censors the net. So what. if you are of age and it's not porn the librarians will open the site up all you have to do is ask. No problem. Also what do cds have to do with internet? Most people I know burn cds and give them to friends. |
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B
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said by jsouth :
It might have nothing to do with "nudie pics" as you put it, but the library is a public place. Not everyone wants to look at what you think you should be able to see. If there is some thing that you really want to see that some might find offensive, do it at home. Not only does this keep any "lawsuits" from happening but it also helps keep down the spam and spyware if people canot run willy nilly all over the net. The computers are their computers, not yours.
You're kidding, right? How long have you lived in this country? You are aware that ANYTHING you might want to read or view in a library is most likely offensive to SOMEONE somewhere, right? You're not honestly suggesting that the only things that should be available for viewing in a public library are those things that are offensive to NO ONE, are you? I guess you are: »www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/news/lo···2807.htm
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Desdinova
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In the U.S. anyone at any age can legally see an R-rated movie if the theatre management wants to admit them. Movie ratings (except those containg pornographic content) are guidelines suggested by a civilian organization (the MPAA) that has no legal authority. |
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
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It might have nothing to do with "nudie pics" as you put it, but the library is a public place. Not everyone wants to look at what you think you should be able to see. If there is some thing that you really want to see that some might find offensive, do it at home. Not only does this keep any "lawsuits" from happening but it also helps keep down the spam and spyware if people canot run willy nilly all over the net. The computers are their computers, not yours. |
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | reply to ReneMH
No. It's just easier to keep nudie pics away from the kids that just want to see them and tell the librarian they are doing "research". |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL | reply to rit56
I would imagine from his skin color or hair texture. That's usually how people tell. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to technick
how do you know he was black? |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA | reply to B
I dunno, some of those librarians can be pretty hot...
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B
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I think the simple act of a dour librarian standing over your shoulder should be more than enough to keep both children and perverts in line. It's not as if the public computer terminals sit in little phone booths with shades.
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said by C0unterfeit :
So what should the age say to allow a "legit search?"
Assuming they aren't already of sufficient age to buy Playboy at the local news stand or legally see an R-rated movie unescorted?
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B
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Effectively, yes! The point is that no filter can ever perform with 100% (or even 90%) accuracy in blocking all possibly "objectionable" material but ALSO allow reasonable access to the sum of human knowledge.
This also subtly penalizes those already least privileged -- those resorting to the library for Internet access.
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ReneMH
join:2001-11-27
Cockeysville, MD | reply to jsouth
You have to be of legal age to research brest cancer ? |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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said by B :
Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.
Trust me, you'd be surprised.
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technick
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Loganville, GA
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quote:
Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.
I know this is off topic, but I was at my local kinko's a few weeks ago, there was this black guy sitting in the back of the computer area looking at porn... thought it was funny |
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B
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First, "kids" should not have unsupervised access to ANYTHING. The activities of children at a library should be monitored by their parents, guardians, AND/OR librarians.
Second, "nudie pics" have nothing to do with it -- only the truly creepy would surf for porn in a public library.
It has to do with little things like human rights, the first amendment, a free society, effective distribution of human knowledge, watching the watchers, unintended consequences, little things like that.
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | reply to bit_junkie
Agreed and I also thing for kids under 15 the parents should have to be present with the child. |
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bit_junkie
join:2004-05-04
Maricopa, AZ
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said by C0unterfeit :
So what should the age say to allow a "legit search?"
well if you mean legit as in research for school projects and such for children, i think that should be left up to parents what is appropriate for their kids and at what age.
now if you mean legit as in a legal adult website, 18 or older,which i believe is the legal age in most of the country |
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