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Re: Read this before copying and pasting
said by Musicscom  :
Nicholas Papadopoulas, from my knowledge, was a 17 year old kid that was a fictional character in a National Lampoon movie, one of the "Vacation" series of movies.
I don't know anything about the National Lampoon movie you mentioned. My reference to Nicholas Papadopoulos and updated.com had to do with a reference to the excerpt below taken from a web site. Perhaps the web site owner does not actually know with whom he is doing business. If that person is reading this forum post perhaps he might wish to search Google or Yahoo for "Nicholas Papadopoulos" and "updated.com". Since that person has previously laid claim to being the progenitor of your Internet, I had assumed that he knew with whom he was dealing.
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said by Musicscom :
Infecting the computers of others with malware is a felony. Period.
A good question would be "Can you copyright malware?" There's the rub. Maybe you can, maybe you can't, but you can't use it.
You apparently misunderstood my purely hypothetical reference to exposing a web site attempting to automatically download malware to the PCs of unsuspecting visitors. I was referring to exposing the questionable practice, and showing the hidden (but nonetheless copyrighted) code which was causing the malicious downloads. I was certainly not referring to redistributing the actual malware or publishing it's source code.
said by Musicscom :
While you can post excerpts, you cannot paste and copy an entire web page as it is an act of Copyright Infringement. You can place a link to the site instead. I believe the article clearly stated that.
I can certainly agree with that common sense interpretation of the fair use exemption.
said by Musicscom :
I offered the advice out of professional courtesy to other Security Professionals.
I am glad to hear that. Perhaps I owe you an apology because I had assumed that your post was to bolster the excerpted statement below which seemed to be attributed to you, and which seems to contradict your statement above regarding posting excerpts from a web site under the auspices of the fair use exemption.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COPY AND REPRODUCE THIS PAGE! PERIOD.
Every lawyer, every lawschool, and every court will stand behind this statement. A simply search of "Copyright" will make this clear. What is created by the Author, remains the sole property of the Author, and cannot be reproduced and/or published on any other website without the Express Written Permission of the Author. There is no debate about this, this is the law straight from the Copyright Office and the Copyright Acts of the United States. You may not reproduce this page, or any other page on this website, in whole or in part, for any purpose whatsoever. You may keep one copy on your computer, but you may not thereafter make further copies and you may not distribute any copies. In short, neither you nor your lawyer has any right, whatsoever, imagined or otherwise thought of, to steal any content from this website.
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| Just quickly, why'd you post the ad thing from the page? Is there something wrong with it? If so, send email to:
abuse@Musics.com
Just put that in while testing the mailserver.
The excerpt is entirely mine. You have to educate the public. Someone once posted the entire web page, now that ticked me off because I do these things right off of the top of my head to avoid any copyright challenges. And what got me was that they posted it in a completely nasty, flaming, derogatory, and defaming manner. No one deserves to be baited here, but a lot of that goes on and that's the beginning of every flame. Often people try to place the blame elsewhere by hitting the "heymods" button after they've been called on their flame. I don't use that button because I've been able to take the worst criticisms over the years. The person that posted the flaming copy of my website couldn't take honest criticism, so they resorted to namecalling and defamation. I couldn't even answer because it got locked. Which left me at the mercy of his lies.
One was about who founded the Internet. A lot of people did. I worked for two of them, co-authors of various RFC's including RFC 6 from Rand Org. I never said I invented it, I said I was part of the development of the PC, and I was, working under two well known professors. While everyone claims invention of the PC, including Steven Jobs and others, Dr. Wirth at Intel stated uncategorically that they had done nothing more than copy the actual architecture of Mainframes in Time Magazine, December 1996, as I recall, the date is from memory. In essence, all microprocessors were copies of mainframes, that is what he said. He said that when asked about the design of the 64-bit microprocessors Intel was working on at the time. Professors Eckert and Mauchley, and their colleagues, and students actually founded the Internet. Quite literally tens of thousands of people working at tens, maybe hundreds, of companies. It was all of those people that founded the Internet, not one guy, not one memo, not one RFC, but hardworking Americans from many walks of life and many different jobs. To credit the Internet to one person or one group would be like saying the the Space program is the result of one person's efforts; it just ain't so. I only remember the names of the professors I worked for, J. Presper Eckert and John Mauchley. But I also worked with various teams and engineers from IBM, Xerox, AT&T, Honeywell, Sperry, Rand, and others. And there were an aweful lot of military personnel around! Unix has a similar history involving a consortium, and not just Berkeley, or as we called it "Berzerkeley." BSD may take the credit, but they did nothing alone and are not responsible for the full Unix or Linux.
I had 2,000 employees under me as Assistant to the Senior Project Design Engineer. It's not a fairy tale, it's a fact. So, just as Eric Howes gets a little ticked when someone tells him he doesn't know what he's talking about, so do I. I witnessed at least one post where the same set of networking and security groupies did the same thing to him and was not surprised that he didn't like it.
Networking and Security are toys that I play with on my servers. These servers serve a music publishing company and assorted music industry interests, such as recording artists, bands, etc. What I do and did in computers is just a job taken on to support the music, no more. Music is first for me in everything I do. Computers and the industry are not as important to me. That is to say, I'd rather buy a Les Paul than an IBM Server anyday. Because my first business is music, but that doesn't mean I'm not an expert in computers and engineering. Sometimes, life just happens that way.
All of my content is original, with the exceptions of links and their content.
I do the same with music, sit down and let it flow. I don't copy others, I don't look at their content for my content, and I've come up with some very creative ways to do graphics and dress things up. So that, in the end, I know that it is all my copyrighted work. Then, I register it with the Library of Congress.
I'm in a major copyright infringement case right now with the likes of RIAA, NMPA, MPAA, ASCAP. I'm the Plaintiff, they are the copyright infringers. I don't support picking on high shoolers and collegians for downloading a few, or more, songs, just like Janis Ian and a few others in the music business, because we all know that the real thieves are the RIAA, NMPA, MPAA, and ASCAP. As a member, trying to make them do the right thing is not as easy as it looks.
I looked up Nicholas Papadopoulos, to find a professor, and a domain owner, and a cartographer, among others. The one that doesn't pay at updated.com is no matter, he'll just get the boot. I had some nice pay from a Las Vegas outfit some years back, but dropped them. I'd like to drop it all, owing as all advertising seems to be nothing but the same old scam that advertising always is.
And the other guy's right, I was thinking of Pappagiorgio.
Fair Use is applied with something judges call being "reasonable." Quotes are fine, if they're credited, for analysis whole paragraphs seem okay. But even as little as seven notes from "Alone Again" can cause a lawsuit and criminal prosecution, as was one case listed at Columbia's law site [Three Brothers Music, if I remember correctly]. Mostly Fair Use depends on the actual usage. Criticism of the piece itself in a regular publishing medium is okay, most of the time, but it's always up to the orginal Author to decide that because he owns all of the rights, by both law and by judicial precedence. While outright attacks and full repdroduction for no other purpose than to hurt the Author or his works, company, etc., are not okay.
The reason he owns all of the rights and can prevent publication is just for that reason to protect himself and his works from malicious and unfounded attacks. Such attacks can defame the character of the Author and the work. That doesn't mean valid criticism, it means malicious criticism designed to impune the reputation of the Author. The equivalent of flaming, and recognised as flaming long before the term was coined on the Internet.
In plain terms, it's just not right to attack someone or their work with lies about their work or them.
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1 edit | said by Musicscom :
Just quickly, why'd you post the ad thing from the page? Is there something wrong with it? If so, send email to:
abuse@Musics.com
There was no flaming intended, in fact neither your name nor your web site was explicitly mentioned by me in regard to the updated.com advertisement/link. It was intended as a heads up to the progenitor of your Internet* and a Security Professional that perhaps he should take a closer look at the person/company with whom he was doing business.
BTW: I am glad to see that you finally seem to have your smtp server running.
said by Musicscom :
One was about who founded the Internet. A lot of people did. I worked for two of them, co-authors of various RFC's including RFC 6 from Rand Org. I never said I invented it,
No you did not explicitly claim to have invented the internet, I believe that Al Gore is the person who allegedly claimed to have invented the internet. It seems that you did however claim to be the progenitor of your Internet*.
* See web post dated 2004-01-18 15:15:15 at »www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/2425
(EDIT: spelling correction)
Words of wisdom: If you do not wish to to have your public statements quoted, do not make public statements.
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