swiftymc
join:2004-02-15
Mansfield Center, CT
| Just what we need Someone give me one reason why we should trust microsoft to protect us against something they were originally leaving us wide open to...
and hey....heres an idea...FIX YOUR F*CKING BROWSER AND WE WOULDNT HAVE THESE SPYWARE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!
We dont need more add-on CRAP taking up memory so one program can fix another | |
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| Re: Just what we need said by swiftymc  :
heres an idea...FIX YOUR F*CKING BROWSER AND WE WOULDNT HAVE THESE SPYWARE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!
That won't do it.
Even with every possible technical precaution - and XP/SP2 goes a long way - there will still be users who will install anything if asked to. Until "idiot users" are addressed, spyware is going to be a fact of life.
Whether Microsoft's solution will be any good remains to be seen.
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| ye Microsoft sells us crappy buggy software, then releases a million windows updates to patch the problem.
Why can't they test their stuff more, so we users don't have to do it for them (for free).
What worries me is if Microsoft somehow decides to make this spyware tool built into future windows editions. Just like the silly excuse for a firewall they put into Windows XP !!!
They are making other companies go bankrupt by monopolizing everything.
IMAGINE IF in a 100 years the ONLY software company on earth is MICROSOFT !!!  | |
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: Just what we need What ever happened to some court order not to include IE with windows installs?
Didnt they have this beef with netscape because they dont have as good a chance of getting their browser out there because Windows already has a packaged browser.
Im liking the spreading of firefox, especially when they hit that 1 million download mark early. Everyone needs to help spreading the word. Everyone needs to do what they can to spread it to more people and help rid the world of this evil virus code named Internet Explorer. | |
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| Re: Just what we need And as soon as that becomes the mostly widely used browser the same will happen. People seem to forget that virus writers and the slime balls who make spyware do it to try and make the most impact for spyware tracking users to try and make them buy other stuff is a money gimmick. So they go after the biggest population to try and make the most money.
This forum in general is so biased against MS but yet 95% of you people use it. Turn off your windows machine and boot up linux. I am sure most of the linux users who know what they are doing will appreciate the how do I posts in the linux forums.
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| Re: Just what we need So true, But I am severely tired of seeing these people bash MS when many have never booted up a linux machine or shelled into one. Each one has strengths and weaknesses and the uneducated just seem to think that they are always right claiming "Linux Roxors". And none of them have even used a linux box, closest they have used to a machine of that os is visiting a site running apache.
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1 edit | Re: Just what we need said by BosstonesOwn :
Each one has strengths and weaknesses and the uneducated just seem to think that they are always right claiming "Linux Roxors". And none of them have even used a linux box, closest they have used to a machine of that os is visiting a site running apache.
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join:2004-02-15
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1 edit | Re: Just what we need said by ame055 :
said by swiftymc :
What ever happened to some court order not to include IE with windows installs?
Didnt they have this beef with netscape because they dont have as good a chance of getting their browser out there because Windows already has a packaged browser.
Im liking the spreading of firefox, especially when they hit that 1 million download mark early. Everyone needs to help spreading the word. Everyone needs to do what they can to spread it to more people and help rid the world of this evil virus code named Internet Explorer.
Ye Firefox is a great browser.
read this article »news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5074799···ede1_hed
What i don't understand is how has IE survived till now, when you have many FREE SUPERIOR browsers out there like firefox and Opera ?
By the way what happened to MSN Explorer ? are they still planning to include it in the future.
I like the "evil virus code" expression. 
Well I guess Mozilla and Firefox never got such a big push til recently...As far as MSN browser, I thought you needed to be a member of MSN to use it. Atleast thats what it told me on time i went to install it | |
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join:2002-02-15
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA | People where making money off windows security flaws...
Microsoft is trying to plug up the flaws.
Those companies would have never had business if it weren't for microsoft anyways.
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| said by ame055 :
They are making other companies go bankrupt by monopolizing everything.
IMAGINE IF in a 100 years the ONLY software company on earth is MICROSOFT !!!
That is their plan, you do realize that, right? | |
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
>and the 10 yr old responds with cursing and more garbage that offers no help what so ever. if you really do not trust microsoft so much go use linux, bsd, mac, whatever so you wont have to deal with them anymore and we wont have to read responses like that either.
You seem to lack the intelligence to understand what I said was simply my opinion. Have your opinion...whatever you want. When you dish out near $100 for the operating system, you should be getting something of quality not something that in all the right minds should have federal warning stickers stating that if you do not secure the product yourself, you risk getting your Identity, Credit card number(s) any or all personal information stolen. Or could get tangled into a web of having your computer hijacked to be used in illegal acts which include but are not limited to, Denial of service attacks, war dialing, password cracking and hosting illegal files such as copyrighted music and programs. | |
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join:2004-07-20
Pickering, ON
| Re: Just what we need identity theft occurs more from people entering their info into bogus banking sites and from hackers breaking into "secure sites" and stealing it.
Besides just because you have an opinion does not mean we have to hear or read it. Your "opinion" was extremely ignorant cand childish and frankly would have better off being kept to youself.
People being ignorant and not protecting themselves is not the fault of microsoft. In fact if you had the MS firewall on you would not have got the Sasser worm. The tools are thetr, MS can't make you use them. | |
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1 edit | said by swiftymc :
said by cyrus369 :
>and the 10 yr old responds with cursing and more garbage that offers no help what so ever. if you really do not trust microsoft so much go use linux, bsd, mac, whatever so you wont have to deal with them anymore and we wont have to read responses like that either.
You seem to lack the intelligence to understand what I said was simply my opinion. Have your opinion...whatever you want. When you dish out near $100 for the operating system, you should be getting something of quality not something that in all the right minds should have federal warning stickers stating that if you do not secure the product yourself, you risk getting your Identity, Credit card number(s) any or all personal information stolen. Or could get tangled into a web of having your computer hijacked to be used in illegal acts which include but are not limited to, Denial of service attacks, war dialing, password cracking and hosting illegal files such as copyrighted music and programs.
so you basically expect microsoft to secure their product against every little bug and/or user action that the mind can think of? it is not microsofts fault that everyone puts their product under a microscope to find every little thing wrong with it and then develops a exploit for it. YES all those thing you say can happen, but war dialing? did you just copy that from somewhere? war dialing is old and never used unless it took on a new definition that im unaware of. most of what you say can be avoided by common sense. but its like saying its gm's fault for not securing their cars against car jackers. or its mcdonalds fault for serving unhealthy food and people get fat because of it. or how about houses, they get broken into, vandalized, etc.... so should be blame the builder for not securing it enough? after all we pay 150k or more for a house i would expect it to not get broken into or vandalized. for what i paid it should provide me with the security to protect against all of it. if you want to use the internet in any shape or form you will have to get used to the insecurities of it and subject yourself to the dangers of it everyday just like you do when you venture out into the world.
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2 edits | Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
so you basically expect microsoft to secure their product against every little bug and/or user action that the mind can think of?
Ok...We start with Windows 95, then 98a 98b and/or 98SE(with possible revision's released), Windows NT(I forget is there were service packs), Windows ME, Windows 2000 including 4 service pack updates and now Windows XP with 2 service packs.
After atleast 5+ years, there are an unimaginable number of sploits popping up like popcorn in a microwave.
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YES all those thing you say can happen, but war dialing? did you just copy that from somewhere? war dialing is old and never used unless it took on a new definition that im unaware of. most of what you say can be avoided by common sense
old and never used? There is a WHOLE new generation of war dialing happening right now. A friend of mine has over 100k bots and atleast 20k have a dialup modem installed with phoneline still attached. Give me your phone number and I could have 20k phone from all over the world calling you 24/7
said by cyrus369 :
but its like saying its gm's fault for not securing their cars against car jackers. or its mcdonalds fault for serving unhealthy food and people get fat because of it. or how about houses, they get broken into, vandalized, etc.... so should be blame the builder for not securing it enough? after all we pay 150k or more for a house i would expect it to not get broken into or vandalized. for what i paid it should provide me with the security to protect against all of it. if you want to use the internet in any shape or form you will have to get used to the insecurities of it and subject yourself to the dangers of it everyday just like you do when you venture out into the world.
Theres a reason cars have seat belts, and why you can get home owners insurance, enough said. I only hope you can see how ignorant you are | |
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| Re: Just what we need said by swiftymc :
said by cyrus369 :
so you basically expect microsoft to secure their product against every little bug and/or user action that the mind can think of?
Ok...We start with Windows 95, then 98a 98b and/or 98SE(with possible revision's released), Windows NT(I forget is there were service packs), Windows ME, Windows 2000 including 4 service pack updates and now Windows XP with 2 service packs.
After atleast 5+ years, there are an unimaginable number of sploits popping up like popcorn in a microwave.
said by cyrus369 :
YES all those thing you say can happen, but war dialing? did you just copy that from somewhere? war dialing is old and never used unless it took on a new definition that im unaware of. most of what you say can be avoided by common sense
old and never used? There is a WHOLE new generation of war dialing happening right now. A friend of mine has over 100k bots and atleast 20k have a dialup modem installed with phoneline still attached. Give me your phone number and I could have 20k phone from all over the world calling you 24/7
said by cyrus369 :
but its like saying its gm's fault for not securing their cars against car jackers. or its mcdonalds fault for serving unhealthy food and people get fat because of it. or how about houses, they get broken into, vandalized, etc.... so should be blame the builder for not securing it enough? after all we pay 150k or more for a house i would expect it to not get broken into or vandalized. for what i paid it should provide me with the security to protect against all of it. if you want to use the internet in any shape or form you will have to get used to the insecurities of it and subject yourself to the dangers of it everyday just like you do when you venture out into the world.
Theres a reason cars have seat belts, and why you can get home owners insurance, enough said. I only hope you can see how ignorant you are
sure you can have my phone number but i have no modem, and i doubt your friend has 100k bots with 20k he actually calls up over phone lines. war dialing to me is a program used to dial out random or in some order of numbers trying to find a computer to connect to. this practice im sure is outlawed and watched by the phone companies. what your talking about is something totally diffrent. im not going to argue points(im ignorant remember?) but sense you are so smart why dont you go on over to microsoft and look over the millions and millions of lines of code and fix it since it seems to be so easy.
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join:2004-02-15
Mansfield Center, CT | Re: Just what we need Thanks for a good laugh...thats all ive got to say. | |
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| Re: Just what we need said by swiftymc :
Thanks for a good laugh...thats all ive got to say.
no problem, if your so smart though why dont you just get a job fixing the problems instead of whining on a forum?
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
said by swiftymc :
Thanks for a good laugh...thats all ive got to say.
no problem, if your so smart though why dont you just get a job fixing the problems instead of whining on a forum?
Who said I coded...please, someone point it out. | |
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
who said you did? i just said since you like to complain so much you should get a job and become part of the solution.
Are you dense? Thousands of people could name endless problems...what makes u think they'll hire a random joe just to stand there and complain about why they suck. Seriously...are you mentally handicapped? | |
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clubs: | Re: Just what we need just to end this endless conversation, YES I AM! AND MIGHTY PROUD OF MY MENTAL HANDICAPNESS!!!!
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: Just what we need said by cyrus369 :
just to end this endless conversation, YES I AM! AND MIGHTY PROUD OF MY MENTAL HANDICAPNESS!!!!
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