BosstonesOwn
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Re: WOW
said by BonezX  :^^ this guy is paranoid "Also it is used to crack encrypted text to see if members of any terrorist groups are plotting their vengeance against us. SO hell yeah we need to know." noting can be encoded enough to require that much power. because if it was the person it's supposed to be sent to can't open or use it. Ever hear of brute force. That system could crack rsa 768 in minutes. Do not be so nieve as to think people who would do harm to any of the world are not smart enough to encrypt their traffic.
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z28kindaguy
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said by fartness :run seti Why waste all that power? |
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BonezX
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and who owns it, and since it's widely known as you just basically stated, everyone has a copy of it.
thing with crypter/decrypter software is that it's just a program, you feed it information it spits out code, you feed it code, it spits out information. all based on an algorithm, which is based off logic. and i doubt they are able to get super A+ coders to make the programs for them so i seriously doubt you need that big of a system to break their code. |
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BosstonesOwn
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| 2 words Open Source.
Many of the worlds best programmers work for free on their spare time. Who said the people wo wish to do us harm would have to hire coders.
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BonezX
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| if it's open source, EVERYONE CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON IT. which completely voids what your saying. dude get the point.
if they are actually as smart as you say, they would avoid open source as much as possible because,
1. it's not secure
2. everyone can get their hands on it
3. it's easier to use a phone
4. it's more secure to get someone to travel to deliver a message
5. their target is in their country, so why would they need to worry about getting information to opratives in the states |
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BosstonesOwn
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| wow you really don't understand encryption do you.
the whole point of encryption is even if the message is intercepted it can't be seen.
Open source encryption tech is generally the most secure. RSA is secure to everything but super computers and is open source .
pgp, there are others. The open source code for you to see is no big deal. Since it don't contain the keys to decrypt only the math functions needed to decrypt minus the keys.
Please go read some sort of information on encryption before you make yourself look even worse then you already have.
By the way... open source also includes SSL which many banks and web sites use.
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BonezX
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| and you don't understand my point, you don't need such a massive computer to decrypt the americans problem when it could be off doing calculations of how to feed the world with the current food production, or running weather analysis, or trying to calculate the meaning of life(42).
and the computer you think they should use it owned by an independant company, which can use the information on it in which ever way they want, so that in itself is insecure (and just about every intel agency has their own computers for doing this anyway).
as i said, there are more secure ways to send information from one place to the other, and allot of the world could not give a shit about the americans problem, and some of them most likely support the people causing it.
just remember, there are other things in the world other then your(and countries) problems, and hate to burst your bubble but the united states is not the center of the world(as much as some people keep saying it, it will not be true).
codes are made to be broken, empires will collapse, people will die, in the end the fact that you can decrypt a paragraph will not make a diffrence.
and grammer will help in getting your point across. "Since it don't" |
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pcscdma
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said by BosstonesOwn :wow you really don't understand encryption do you. the whole point of encryption is even if the message is intercepted it can't be seen. Open source encryption tech is generally the most secure. RSA is secure to everything but super computers and is open source . pgp, there are others. The open source code for you to see is no big deal. Since it don't contain the keys to decrypt only the math functions needed to decrypt minus the keys. Please go read some sort of information on encryption before you make yourself look even worse then you already have. By the way... open source also includes SSL which many banks and web sites use. Brute force attacks usually require lots of Big Iron...
»www.distributed.net/rc5/
... or thought.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
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BosstonesOwn
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said by BonezX :and you don't understand my point, you don't need such a massive computer to decrypt the americans problem when it could be off doing calculations of how to feed the world with the current food production, or running weather analysis, or trying to calculate the meaning of life(42). and the computer you think they should use it owned by an independant company, which can use the information on it in which ever way they want, so that in itself is insecure (and just about every intel agency has their own computers for doing this anyway). as i said, there are more secure ways to send information from one place to the other, and allot of the world could not give a shit about the americans problem, and some of them most likely support the people causing it. just remember, there are other things in the world other then your(and countries) problems, and hate to burst your bubble but the united states is not the center of the world(as much as some people keep saying it, it will not be true). codes are made to be broken, empires will collapse, people will die, in the end the fact that you can decrypt a paragraph will not make a diffrence. and grammer will help in getting your point across. "Since it don't" First off when companies work for the government they sign agreements to not disclose anything under penalty of treason. Insecure I doubt it when the system is not connected to the internet.
Yes you do need massive computers to break encryption. and that is what the American problem is at the moment terrorists that are using such technology to lock down hard drives and such. Because you want to feed the world or possibly try and forecast weather with it is your opinion , and that is not what they are going to use it for. That is easy to see.
I never said the world went around the US. The people who would cause harm to any of the American allies are showing their signs of stupidity by using encrypted satellite phones and such. Once that part is caught it can be brute forced. While there is better ways to transport messages they have not done so.
yes codes are made to be broken that is why this machine is being assembled. empires will collapse yeah I agree especially when we have morons like GWB running the country.
Decrypting a paragraph will however make a difference. How about if they had decrypted a paragraph by some one saying they would fly a plane into a building on a certain day and time. You don't think that would have helped a little bit more. A little anti American ?
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Listen, that machine makes even 100,000 home machines look small. Look at the basic computing power that system possesses. It could crack numbers in hours. It is not a x86 style processor and does more work per instruction. The machine will be a behemoth and will do the work of 1 million or so pc days in 1 day. Think of the raw power.
Picture this machine Doing in 1 Day what your pc does in 1 Million days and that is at its lowest level while incomplete. That is a hell of a lot of power. Distributed computing doesn't have those numbers of people. Plus now factor in that is an x86 based value if the processor does 1.5 instructions per cycle vs the x86 1 instruction per cycle your doing 150 % of the load as a x86 so now 1.5 million days of work in a day. That is heavy iron. And that is the power of it at it's lowest test. When they add more it will get faster. Now figure out if they are only doing 1.5 per cycle or more compared to the x86.
Cray machines are used to generate matrix's to break routines all the time. In as little as 15 minutes. And they are not as powerful as this will become.
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pcscdma
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| I'm not sure where we're going with this, but there are PowerPC processors crunching an RC5-72 problem now »All things Macintosh »How to set up and run client and join RC5 under OS X . Just don't include those old 68kers that are still crunching.
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BonezX
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| in the end using all this power for ONE (read it one) countries problems when it could be used to solve world problems, is stupid, this thing has more power then could ever be needed, you keep pushing that it should be used to decrypt "terrorist" messages and intel, when there are already systems in place to do such things and there are more pressing issues, like aids, hunger, drought, hell some people can't even get water.
but look what you are thinking about, some people half way across the world that you had no idea were there until 5 years ago, and now they seem to be the big topic of discussion. for frig sakes, allot of Americans don't even know where Afghanistan is, or even how far apart they are.
that's what i mean by there are systems in place, but is it required so severely that these codes need to be cracked. and think about the people that is using this information, hell your own government is using the information gained to spy on your stuff so why would you want to help them. |
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BosstonesOwn
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| And sure solving one countries problem isn't your concern it is our concern. And it is our money building it not the worlds. SO in this case and I have said before. The US needs to stop supporting the world and support ourselves. SO F The world and I want my countries problems solved first.
pcscdma think about that it is a test. If something important comes along you don't want the government to do it you want all these puters that are not reliable to do the work?
How about the other way BonezX use distributed computing to solve the worlds problems ? Thats right there isn't enough to solve that problem.
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said by z28kindaguy : said by fartness :run seti Why waste all that power? Yeah, why waste that computer power on something cool? Just waste it while your computer idles doing nothing.
Oh that's right, you're part of Team Discovery. You think you're better than SETI people. GFY
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said by pcscdma :said by bmn :You calculation is assuming that the processor cores are only doing one operation per clock cycle...  That still doesn't make any sense. As the number of operations per clock cycles goes up, the higher your FLOP rating will be in theory. Because of this, its possible to have one processor that's slower than another and yet "more powerful" because it performs more operations in a clock cycle.
That's why on some newer processors, FLOP ratings don't even come close to matching the core frequency... But as you said earlier, and quite correctly, clock speed doesn't really mean that much...
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