justin
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Re: to be fair
google should understand their popularity rests on transparency. If there were told by the government to remove those images because of [insert stupid reason] then they should tell us that is what happened. |
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BonezX
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someone try it on google.ca |
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drew
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but it could be my American IP (if it is censorship because of the government.) |
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yeah i tried it on images search of google.co.uk as well
hmm, think of a major "image-like" event with a unique name in the last 3 months, and see if there are also no images of it, to prove the theory that images.google.com search is just very slow. |
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said by justin  :google should understand their popularity rests on transparency. If there were told by the government to remove those images because of [insert stupid reason] then they should tell us that is what happened. Justin,
If they WERE told by the government to remove the images, it would have leaked and caused one hell of a stir. Indeed, it would have leaked just prior to the election as that would have been the worst possible time for it to leak.
Conspiracy theory is the province of the pseudo-intellectual, not the intellectual.
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2 edits | said by DaDogs : said by justin :google should understand their popularity rests on transparency. If there were told by the government to remove those images because of [insert stupid reason] then they should tell us that is what happened. Justin, If they WERE told by the government to remove the images, it would have leaked and caused one hell of a stir. Indeed, it would have leaked just prior to the election as that would have been the worst possible time for it to leak. Conspiracy theory is the province of the pseudo-intellectual, not the intellectual. Merely pointing out that google is missing controversial news imagery is not yet a conspiracy theory. We first need an official theory that works well, befor there can be a conspiracy theory. |
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| said by justin : We first need an official theory that works well, before there can be a conspiracy theory. said by justin , earlier:hidden censorship is rarely satisfying That's not a theory? |
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Anonymous
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I know "Carlie Brucia" would show 0 pictures (or wrong ones only) until September or so. She was killed February 1. |
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said by Steve : said by justin : We first need an official theory that works well, before there can be a conspiracy theory. said by justin , earlier:hidden censorship is rarely satisfying That's not a theory? If it *is* hidden censorship then it isn't satisfying. I'm not decided until someone puts up a decent theory that tests out. What is yours. the "six month blind spot for all images" theory? You predict pages of abu ghraib torture by, what, xmas? |
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| said by justin : If it *is* hidden censorship then it isn't satisfying. I'm not decided until someone puts up a decent theory that tests out. What is yours. the "six month blind spot for all images" theory? You predict pages of abu ghraib torture by, what, xmas? I don't know anywhere near enough about Google's indexing methods (which seem to be really responsive even for middle-of-nowhere website like mine), but I find it nearly impossible to believe that they are actively censoring anything. If they had some kind of exclusive access to things, then maybe one could make the case that they could be effective, but "censoring" things that are available everywhere is utterly ineffective, not to mention lousy PR.
I'm more than happy to believe "it's a quirk of indexing" unless somebody has strong evidence that's much more than the nonsense posted here.
This week has been chock-full of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, and even thinking out loud "they might be censoring" is just more of that silliness.
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| said by Steve : I find it nearly impossible to believe that they are actively censoring anything. You believe they don't do anything despite that their images index FAQ tells people who believe their images have been reproduced unfairly, to follow the instructions on this page ? »www.google.com/dmca.html |
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1 edit | Oh geez, confusing DCMA enforcement with censoring based on content?
Wow.
Damn, that Karl Rove is one powerful guy! |
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1 edit | I'm not confusing the two.
Google can (and probably does) remove something based on a DMCA request because the rights-holder does not wish it to be searchable or visible or whatever.
This is why the DMCA is criticised so often because it can, and has, been used to "chill" rather than just to remove copyright material (google has also bowed to pressure from foreign governments rather than fight court battles). |
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| Oh, there is no doubt that the DCMA is awful, for this and a long list of other reasons.
But you really think that somebody would go to the trouble of getting Google to do this, but nobody else? This is just much too hard to believe when compared with "fluke of indexing".
Hey, if it turns out that it's as you suggest, I'll eat my tool points, but I don't buy it.
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| yes i agree (that such would be across the board).
Ok well, i'll mark my diary and see what turns up there for december.
ps: i couldn't find any fallujah hanging contractor pictures either, and they are a year old. No problem on other search engines. So perhaps images.google.com is only good for stealing button gifs. |
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BonezX
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said by DaDogs :... Conspiracy theory is the province of the pseudo-intellectual, not the intellectual. .
... something like ... calling Iraq an imminent threat in the pre-war period ... falls under conspiracy theory ... isn't it? ... 
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| said by vrp : said by DaDogs :... Conspiracy theory is the province of the pseudo-intellectual, not the intellectual. . ... something like ... calling Iraq an imminent threat in the pre-war period ... falls under conspiracy theory ... isn't it? ... . Uh, no.
Unrelated, can you provide link where Iraq was called an immenent threat? |
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| said by joebear29 : said by vrp : said by DaDogs :... Conspiracy theory is the province of the pseudo-intellectual, not the intellectual. . ... something like ... calling Iraq an imminent threat in the pre-war period ... falls under conspiracy theory ... isn't it? ... . Uh, no. Unrelated, can you provide link where Iraq was called an immenent threat? .
... I am giving you one link ... rest you are smart enough to dig for yourself ... 
link: »www.americanprogress.org/site/pp···&b=24970
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| Oddly, I can't find any myself.
I checked the website you posted, but I didn't find any direct quote where Iraq was referred to as an "immenient threat". If I overlooked one, please clarify.
I did not a number of posts that were second hand references to imminent threats, such as:
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"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
But without knowing the question (which is not linked) I cannot make a judgement on the answer.
Here is what Bush said:
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Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.
»www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases···-19.html |
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