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Newage Outlaws

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Any 1 Been sue?

Has anyone been sue for sharing files trough BT? I have only heard of people getting letters from there ISP but never been sued, on the other hand people who has been sued has been cought using programes like kazaa and edonkey but no news if any Bt users been sued


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Re: Has any been sued for sharing on BT?

said by Newage Outlaws:

Has anyone ever been sued for sharing files trough BT? I have heard of people getting letters from their ISP, but they have never been sued. On the other hand, people who have been sued were using programs like Kazaa and edonkey. I have not heard of any news of any BT users getting sued.
A somewhat easier to read version of the original post.


A J 121
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Re: Any 1 Been sue?

Didn't Johnny cash know a boy named Sue?


Omega
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They will now. I would not recommend downloading movies on BT anymore.


jonez
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They won't be able to cover every site immediately, but you can bet that movie torrents posted on suprnova.org and other major bt sites will have lurking MPAA bots.

julyccc
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yep i am gonna lay low on the movies for now.


jonez
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said by julyccc See Profile:

yep i am gonna lay low on the movies for now.
LOL

I think a lot of people will...but it won't matter now.

When people get copyright infringement notices and letters, they were caught months before. So anyone who stops now already could have already been caught 2 months ago.

julyccc
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i haven't downloaded a movie for a couple months now. I've never gotten a letter before.
I hope I won't have to deal with it

Cravon

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I wouldn't worry that much if you are a member of any members only BT sites.


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said by Cravon See Profile:

I wouldn't worry that much if you are a member of any members only BT sites.
why's that? Sites that require membership aren't hard to get into.
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Being a memember of a BT site fortunately means nothing. They can see almost your whole IP but that helps with nothing. I'm pretty sure seeing your IP on a torrent isn't proof enough, they need hard evidence such as citing the location on your hard drive of where the torrent file was saved.


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Are they just going after those downloading and sharing movies?


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not downloaders, only those who upload and share.
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julyccc
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but if you use BT. you have no choice. u have to upload anyway


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I think what they will do is jump on torrents that are very new and haven't been completed by anyone, that way they will catch the original releaser of the material and sue them. If you go after the releasers of the movies, soon there won't be too many people releasing movies in fear of law suits.

They could always catch everyone on the torrent but in most cases they'd have to file too many law suits...unless they pick and choose.


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said by jonez See Profile:

Being a memember of a BT site fortunately means nothing. They can see almost your whole IP but that helps with nothing. I'm pretty sure seeing your IP on a torrent isn't proof enough, they need hard evidence such as citing the location on your hard drive of where the torrent file was saved.
Actually seeing your IP is proof enough. All they need to do is see your IP uploading a torrent that they've downloaded and know the content is copyrighted and that is evidence enough to fire off a DMCA violation letter and/or sue.
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said by Qumahlin See Profile:

Actually seeing your IP is proof enough. All they need to do is see your IP uploading a torrent that they've downloaded and know the content is copyrighted and that is evidence enough to fire off a DMCA violation letter and/or sue.
That is true but with the way bigger files are being packed (into smaller parts) they now have to download the whole file to make sure that it's the movie they have copyrights to and not something renamed that they have no rights to, especially in the case of DVD-R's, which are usually a little over 4.3GBs.

EDIT: I would hope they would learn from the RIAA and not fire off law suits and CR infringement warnings until they know it's the actual movie they have rights to.


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Re: Any 1 Been sue?

said by jonez See Profile:

said by Qumahlin See Profile:


Actually seeing your IP is proof enough. All they need to do is see your IP uploading a torrent that they've downloaded and know the content is copyrighted and that is evidence enough to fire off a DMCA violation letter and/or sue.
That is true but with the way bigger files are being packed (into smaller parts) they now have to download the whole file to make sure that it's the movie they have copyrights to and not something renamed that they have no rights to, especially in the case of DVD-R's, which are usually a little over 4.3GBs.

EDIT: I would hope they would learn from the RIAA and not fire off law suits and CR infringement warnings until they know it's the actual movie they have rights to.
All they need is a verified hash, no complete download is needed whatsover.

The MPAA/RIAA bases their lawsuits on the fact that the chances of you hiring a lawyer who specializes in electronics and IP are slim to none regardless of if it's a false positive. So if you have the money to burn when your sued then no worries, but chances are you don't

Plus it doesn't matter if the files are packed into smaller parts, your downloading the torrent as a whole, the torrents file hashes are already verified by the torrent itself, hence if they goto a public torrent site and grab a link and your one of the seeders the chances of it being a false positive are 1 in a million.
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In the case with torrents where the file is not packed into smaller pieces, I would definitely agree with you that they wouldn't have to download the whole file. However with larger files that are packed into smaller pieces, there's no way to know, other than taking for granted the fact that most torrents are not fake, that the content your downloading is what the name on the file says it is until you've downloaded the whole thing, regardless of what you can/want to do with the hash.

If you were wrongfully accused for downloading copyrighted movies online, could you file a counter-suit and if so how much money could you hypothetically sue for?
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