Apathy
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Re: Intentional?
Your analogies are silly. Were I to use your logic, I'd say that yeah, I have to apply a workaround to get my car to start. That comes in the form of a mechanic doing preventive maintenance. My vehicle needs "updated" all the time - it's called an oil change.
Furthermore, I guess I should expect that the measures taken in 1970 that kept a vehicle from being stolen should still work today? Much like the car thieves who come up with new ways or take advantage of "holes" left by original design of a vehicle, crackers do the same with software. Therefore, redesigns are in order, as are updates.
It's really not that hard to do and you don't have to be a tech to do it. UPDATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD... if a user finds this confusing, then maybe a computer is not for them. |
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Doctor Olds
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| Maintenance is not an update. You know neither of OSes or Automobiles.
Can you download from GM an update to the Engine Computer so it accelerates faster and gets better mileage?? That would be an upgrade/update.
Changing the oil is maintenance. Do you remove the kernel from your OS and polish it then put it back for better performance?? Didn't think so. (unless you run *Nix)
Sounds very much like you fit the bill "as you describe it" for not owning a PC.  |
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Apathy
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| It's your ridiculous logic/analogy, not mine. I won't argue over what maintenance or updates are..my point was that expecting any software developer to foresee every single threat is unrealistic. But nice try at changing the subject..
BTW It's amazing that you gleaned so much information on what I personally know from just one post. You should take your act to Vegas, they eat that shit up. |
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Doctor Olds
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clubs: | Sensitive a bit? LOL |
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Apathy
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| Things to do when you can't debate your point.
1)Try to change the subject
2)Accuse the other person of being ignorant of anything knowledgeable by way of...psychic powers?
3)Use said psychic powers to ascertain the other person's emotional state-of-mind.
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RayW
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said by Apathy  : My vehicle needs "updated" all the time - it's called an oil change. So by your reasoning, whenever I defrag my disk, that is an upgrade?
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Doctor Olds
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said by Apathy :Things to do when you can't debate your point. My points are valid and true, you are the "making up lists of inane subjects not related to the facts" poster. Now you are invisible too. 
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Apathy
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No Ray, it's not.
Any more pointless questions? |
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RayW
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clubs: | Thought you would say maintenance was an upgrade in one case and not the other.
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Plldwnyrpnts
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Your points aren't valid. Everything in life needs to be kept up. You leave it to rot, you end up with crap. Don't paint your house. Don't fix the roof. Don't patch your OS. Now THOSE are GOOD points.
You guys want to bash MS for all of the holes that are found in their software like no other software has holes in it. Jeez..... (no I don't need to give examples)
Instead of complaining about the problem you should be trying to teach people how to fix them or "keep them up." |
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Plldwnyrpnts
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Chicago, IL | reply to RayW
Defragging your drive would be like vacuuming your car. Buying new rims would be an upgrade. Changing the oil is an update.
I love analogies.:D |
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Doctor Olds
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said by Plldwnyrpnts :Your points aren't valid. Your post is invalid. |
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2kmaro
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| As opposed to debating on what's valid and what's not, perhaps we should focus back on the test conducted.
First: It was an unpatched out-of-the-box copy of XP. As I recall, one of the first things that is tossed at a user once they install XP is an offer to go check for current updates. Every wise and informed user should do that and can be expected to do that. The careless, uneducated and uninformed may not.
I would consider this a more valid test if it were conducted with an XP system with all patches/updates, including SP2, installed and left at their default settings. Consider that an out-of-the-box XP setup, for just one example, has their own built-in firewall turned off. SP2 turns that around to default to FIREWALL=ON.
justin makes mention in another part of this thread that testing with SP2 a few months from now might be a better test. I'd recommend a "then and now" (or "now and then") test: test it with SP2 now and then go back in a few months and retest to see what holes in IE/Windows XP/SP2 have been found and opened up in those months.
One problem I think I see in Microsoft's security plan is that they appear to be very REactive as opposed to being PROactive. They fix things that are reported to them, but they themselves don't seem to be doing much in house to be the first to discover the vulnerabilities and potential exploits. If they don't have it already, they need to set up their own Xtreme-Hackers division with nothing to do but find ways to punch through the defenses in their mainstream products such as Windows, Office, and their various server products.
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