RyanG1
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join:2002-02-10
San Antonio, TX
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as much as i would like to see spammers hung publicly, i would not lower myself down to their level in order to get back at them. As amusing as it seems, its not right.
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| Lowering? Again you are standing up for something you believe in. Do you think our laws are going to stop them? Back in the day when laws were not passed yet, do you think people feel back on morals? No, they assembled army's of villagers with pitch forks to take care of the problem.
America has lost it's backbone some where...
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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said by RyanG1  :as much as i would like to see spammers hung publicly, i would not lower myself down to their level in order to get back at them. As amusing as it seems, its not right. How is it lowering ? Your doing nothing but repeatedly visiting their websites. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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jansm38
Vn800-B
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join:2003-05-19
Blackwood, NJ
| Think of it this way for a moment.
You are a legitimate business person and 70% of your sales come from your website. Now suppose that your website is hosted by the same hosting service that also has one of the targeted spam-sites or they share the same interconnection to the backbone. All of a sudden nobody can get to your site and buy your products because the host is unreachable due to the DDOs that's going on.
Sound fair?
This didn't just affect the spammers, it affected legitimate users as well. |
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Swordfish II
Watching A Dream
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join:2002-05-12
Cloud 9
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said by RyanG1 :as much as i would like to see spammers hung publicly, i would not lower myself down to their level in order to get back at them. As amusing as it seems, its not right. Was it right for the US to start a war with mexico to basically take Texas and California after they refused to sell? Is it right for the US to force our own system of government on Iraq when the people may want something different? Some things just have to be done
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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in a data center where these guys are mostly located. They sell managed ports on a huge network with multiple pops.
The spammers buy a 10 mbit port on aggro pipes. They never slow down those around them.
If they are using virtualized servers then it the persons fault who is selling virtualized servers. Any business who takes their site seriously is on a dedicated server in a decent data center. With aggro connections and redundant links to and from the routed core they will never see a slow down.
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jansm38
Vn800-B
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join:2003-05-19
Blackwood, NJ
| But if the connection to the backbone is flooded it doesn't matter what is inside the data center. They could (and probably do) have Gig-E to the cores but if you can't get to core from the outside it doesn't really matter.
Now I'll agree that it would take a tremendous amount of hits to flood the interconnection to the peers but it possible, that's the basis of a DDOS. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| You miss the point. You are as fast as the slowest link. If the core is gig e let's say and your paying for 10 mbit. Only that much will be routed to the machine. once the port is slowing down the routers stop transferring packets to it or try and send them around another way to get it there faster. Since the router is literally stormed with packets the routers can't pass more then 10 mbit to the server so they start dropping packets. That is how a ddos works. They can only break the port since it is the slowest part.
It may slow down the link in that is gig e by what 10 mbit? but that is not even a point of saturation enough to slow down the rest of the net where they are. Managed routers are very very very good at doing their job of limiting bandwidth.
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MplsGuy
@209.32.x.x | It would appear that you have no experience operating a BGP connected network, Or any redundantly connected network for that matter. |
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