aputerguy
join:2002-11-26
Boston, MA
| reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my
It seems like there are several ways to make a Versalink work with a Linksys router and it is not clear to me which is best
Method 1:
DSL Authentication: Versalink
DHCP/Routing for LAN: Versalink
Firewall: Versalink
Role of Linksys: Wireless AP and ethernet switch only
Method 2:
DSL Authentication: Versalink
DHCP/Routing for LAN: Linksys
Firewall: Versalink & Linksys
Method 3:
DSL Authentication: Linksys
DHCP/Routing for LAN: Linksys
Firewall: Linksys
Role of Versalink: DSL modem only
It also seems that there are 2 possible "flavors" of Method 3"
Method 3A:
Versalink is used in standard "PPP" mode (with DHCP shut off)
Method 3B:
Versalink is put in "bridged" mode
Now for my questions:
- The major difference between methods 2 and 3 seems to be whether the Linksys or the Versalink is doing the DSL authentication. Which is better? (I was leaning to using the Linksys for DSL authentication since it is closer to the old way I used to do things when the Westell I had was *only* a vanilla DSL modem)
- What is the advantage of using a "true" bridged mode as in Method 3B versus just passing through traffic and authentication ad-hoc as in Method 3A?
- Finally, in Methods 2 & 3, does the Versalink really need to have a different 3rd octet from the Linksys or is it sufficient for the Versalink IP address to lie outside the subnet used by the Linksys? (i.e. not a member of the Linksys DHCP range and not conflicting with the address of the Linksys router itself or any other devices with static IPs on the same subnet) |
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ardenj
| reply to pobbard
Glad I could help, pobbard. I also have kept the firewall on the Westell 327w disabled and I've never had any reboot problems. I mostly rely on the NAT on the Westell to block bad ports, and the XP SP2 firewall to let me know if anything is trying to access the internet. As for the security scans, I suggest the Port Scan here on BroadbandReport's tool section ( »/scan ). |
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pobbard
join:2005-01-31
Brooklyn, NY
| Actually, after this post, I wound-up modifying your solution a bit and going for something more like "Method 3" above. The Linksys had always been so reliable for me that I opted to use it as the primary networking device, and reduce the Versalink to a DSL modem and nothing more. This took some screwing around - I think I finally shut the "Private LAN" feature "Off" to make it work (no thanks to Westell's tech documentation) and hook it into the WAN port of the Linksys. So now the Linksys handles the firewall, the authentication, and wireless duties, and the Versalink just acts as a DSL modem - something it actually appears to be able to do! Finally!
I wouldn't have gotten started without your ideas, so thank you again, and thanks for the pointer to the port scanner. Will try it now. |
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pobbard
join:2005-01-31
Brooklyn, NY
| I forgot to mention the most important part... the setup is RELIABLE now! In the past 24 hours, my connection hasn't died once. Previously, I noted a direct correlation between the Westell firewall setting (High, Low, etc.) and the frequency of drop-outs in my connection (causing my modem to reboot). Certain peer-heavy applications, like Skype, would instantly knock me off-line. No more! Everything works great. |
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aputerguy
join:2002-11-26
Boston, MA | reply to pobbard
What *exactly* did you do to get it to be just a dumb dsl modem? I want to do the same... |
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Birds
join:2004-10-23
| aputerguy,
To make the Versalink a "dumb modem" you will need to do several things on both the Versalink and Linksys.
(BTW, you can not disable both Private and Public LAN at the same time on the Versalink.)
On the Versalink:
1) Change the VC from "Routed Bridged" to "Bridged"
You do this by going to:
Configuration --> Advnaced WAN --> WAN
and then configuring the "VC" you have enabled
Save and reset the router configuration changes.
Now the traffic will pass from the Verslink directly to the Linksys without any authentication or firewalling on the Versalink's part.
On the Linksys:
1) Under "Internet Setup", set the "Internet Connection Type" to either "Automatic Configuration - DHCP" or "PPPoE" depending on what your DSL provider uses.
Save the configuration changes.
On the PC:
If you are using a static IP address, make sure that you set the Gateway addres on the network card to the Local Address of the Linksys router.
You should now be up and running with the Versalink as nothing more than a dumb modem. You won't be able to access the Versalink anymore unless you plug directly into one of the ethernet ports on the Versalink, or unless you change back to a static IP Address on the Linksys' "Internet Connection Type". |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
Premium
join:1999-10-16
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to Birds
Birds, EXCELLENT how-to.
I recomend the MOD's make this how-to a STICKY, for all users here. my nickel's worth  |
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Gargoyle
Premium,MVM,ExMod 2004-07
join:2000-12-29
Planet X
clubs: | I will sticky this thread for a while. How about someone submitting this information to the forum FAQ?
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Folding for a cure Team Helix |
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Gargoyle
Premium,MVM,ExMod 2004-07
join:2000-12-29
Planet X
clubs:
| Thanks to Birds  we now have a FAQ entry »/faq/11836
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CSCRON
join:2005-02-14
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my 327w
I believe Icehouse.net has instructions on how to bridge the westell 327 modue/router? |
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quadx6
@verizon.ne
| reply to ardenj
Simpler way to set up versalink as dumb modem
This is the way I set up my versalink with my d-link router because port forwarding is too much trouble on the versalink
Note: the versalink defaults to 192.168.1.1 and the dlink to 192.168.0.1. This made the setup easier but I believe they can both be setup to be on different networks than the default
Step 1. Connect the wan port from the d-link to one of the enet ports of the versalink, connect network to enet ports of dlink
Step 2. Go into configuration->firewall choose disable
Step 3. Go into configuration->services select static nat. In the static nat dialog, point it at the dlink router.
Step 4. renew ipaddrs on connected machines.
The connected machines get 192.168.0.x addrs from the dlink
Dlink has 192.168.0.1 on lan port and 192.168.1.x addr on wan port
versalink has actual public ip on wan port and 192.168.1.1 on lan port
This let me keep the port forwarding config I had setup on the dlink.
Russell quadx6@yahoo.com |
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Anti Inf
join:2005-02-22
| reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my
So, in the midst of a home network restructuring I came across this discussion when I had all but given up hope for my project and was able to make a workable solution. However, I have run into one final snare that I cannot seem to resolve.
Here is my situation :
I have a motorola terayon cable modem connected to a motorola wireless router in one end of the house. I have 1 ethernet line running to a computer next to the motorola router and terayon modem, 1 connecting a computer in another room on the other side of the house, and 1 connected to a linksys wireless router (in the wan port). The linksys ssid is used on a wireless desktop to access the network and the internet.
My motorola router's ip address is 192.168.10.1. I configured the Linksys router so that the static ip address is 192.168.10.25 with the default gateway as 192.168.10.1
I can connect to the internet on all 3 computers, but I can only share files and printers between the hardlined computers. The odd part is that I can, from the wireless desktop, connect to the configuration utilities of the linksys router (left at default 192.168.1.1)and the motorola at 192.168.1.1. I can also ping the hardlined computers (192.168.10.2), but they cannot ping back the wireless desktop.
So, assuming the fault lies in the ip address of the wireless desktop (192.168.1.26), the issue becomes changing it to an ip in the range of the motorola...ie making it 192.168.10.26. To do that, however, I must reconfigure my wireless router to share the third column of the ip address, and when I do that I lose my internet connection on the wireless and cannot connect to anything.
Hence, I need to find someway to add the wireless to the network by reconfiguring the router (or so I think), but I do not know how to do so. I can live without everything being on one accessible network, but I have a networked printer that I would prefer to access from all the computers. If someone could help, I would appreciate it, and I would be happy to clarify if any of that didn't make sense. |
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DND82
join:2004-12-09
New York, NY
| reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my 327w
I tried doing this setup (method 2 in the instructions) with a belkin router at a friends place, but it didn't work out. However I did forget to turn off the firewall on the westell. One more thing I didn't was turn off the wireless on the westell. Could either one of these be the problem?
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks,
Dane |
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hatfieldfios
join:2005-03-18
Hatfield, PA | How do I similar set-up with Netgear MR814v2? Has anyone anyone done this or any ideas would be appreciated. Especially step-by-step instructions like how BIRDS does would be a huge help. |
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LiQiCE
join:2001-05-31
Herndon, VA
| Using method 3, is there anyway to access the Westell's configuration webpage? With my old Covad setup, I had the ZyXel modem in Bridged mode and I used the console port on the modem to access the configuration. But the Westell only has a web configuration page, so I don't know how to connect to it? Can I setup a static route to access it on the Westell or my D-Link router (I don't even know if my D-Link router supports static routes)?
My configuration is like this:
- Westell - acts as DSL modem only (IP address: 192.168.1.1)
- D-Link DI-614+ Wireless Router - does PPPoE authentication, firewall, routing, DHCP, etc, (IP address: 192.168.0.1)
Since the D-Link thinks anything on the WAN port is Internet and not part of the LAN, when I goto hit 192.168.1.1 I don't find it.
Any help would be much appreciated! My setup is much more stable using my D-Link for wireless versus using the Westell for wireless! Thanks. |
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ChrisDAT_The_Fuller_
@magma.ca | Check this here:
»VersaLink+Wireless+Hub with another FireWall
I am not making any promises. |
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LiQiCE
join:2001-05-31
Herndon, VA | Thanks, that makes sense and sounds like it should work just fine ... I'm going to give it a whirl when I get home. Just gotta make a crossover Ethernet cable. |
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mrjoe6
join:2002-01-26
Redondo Beach, CA
|  reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my
Dudes!
I just had to come here and say thank you so very much.
I read every post in this thread after getting my Westall 327 which is out here in my guest house office, which is located on the other side of the garage which separates it from the main house.
I've had DSL since January of 1999 with the DSL modem out here in the office and my wireless Linksys router connected via a 100' cat 5 cable running through the garage next to my office then through the crawl space of the breezeway ceiling and into the attic atop my house. From the attic router I received wireless internet throughout the house.
It worked great, but when Verizon offered twice the speed for half the price I was paying I made the switch.
But with a combo router/DSL modem I couldn't figure out how to combine the older router with the new one.
I used Method #1 as detailed in the FAQ and it worked like a charm. I'd like to hug the brain that provided the info and made it so clear and understandable.
One tip I'd add is to make sure to assign the new IP addresses to each compter via the TCP/IP settings AND in the configuration of your card be it NIC or wireless. It may be an obvious thing to some, but if you're doing this for the first time, you'll appreciate knowing. The TCP/IP is where you'll set your gateway, IP and DNS numbers.
I'd also suggest, that if your network has two routers and five computers like mine does that you make an easy to read chart of the IP addresses you assign to each one. You'll thank yourself later on when you reconfigure your network or get a new computer to add to it.
Forums like this are one of the best thing about the world wide web. I salute you! |
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ed82264
Eddy
Premium
join:2003-02-16
Leominster, MA
| reply to ardenj
Re: How to use my Linksys wireless router with my 327w
there's 2 ways to set the Versalink modem for that:
you can either set the modem to "User Defined" single Ip
or you could just leave it without a single IP.
just run the first port on the Versalink modem to the Wan port on the Linksys router; everything should be fine after that.
i don't like the Versalink as the router, so i'm using my Linksys still. the Versalink router doesn't work the way i want it to, so i had to resort back to my Linksys router. |
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heavyjay
join:2005-04-06
Hightstown, NJ
| reply to ardenj
I want to set up my network as in Method 2 from the first page because the Versalink 327 has lousy wireless range. This is how I understand Method 2:
The local IP of my SMC Barricade router is 192.168.2.1 by default. The default Private Lan IP of the Versalink is 192.168.1.1. If I'm understanding this correctly, I disable DHCP on both routers, I give my PC's IP's in the range 192.168.2.x, I give the WAN port of the SMC router an IP of 192.168.1.x and I plug the WAN port of the SMC into one of the ethernet ports of the Versalink. Does that sound right? |
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