hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| How convenient
for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." Hmm...I wonder who is "our." I'm sure he doesn't speak for everyone in his community...probably not even 51% on something as controversial as a muni.
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Carl
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Krotz Springs, LA | Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas.
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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Brooklyn, NY
| said by Carl  :Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas. He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity.
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raydsltech
join:2004-07-04
Concord, NC
| Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it. |
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Carl
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Krotz Springs, LA
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said by hailinfantry : said by Carl :Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas. He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity. Well, the local news channel KLFY did a poll and over half the city said they were willing to use LUS and that it was a good idea.
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72276539
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Atlanta, GA
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said by hailinfantry :for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." I would do just that, get out the way. When it comes time to connect into the network tell em to build various fiber nodes to someone else. Since Bell and Cox are so bad you are tellin them to get out of your way, they obviously must not be good enough to connect into.
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maybe if the capitalist system actually worked
all it does now is encourage the big players to sit on their thumbs and rake in the profits since nobody else has the money to compete with them (except municipalities, which they are taking out of the game through propaganda techniques and outright bribery of state officials) |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | reply to raydsltech
Muni's are a competing-evils thing. On the one hand, socialized broadband is bad. On the other hand, effective-duopoly broadband supported by the FCCs and franchise agreements is bad too. |
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underscore
join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA
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said by raydsltech :Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it. "Terry Huval, director of the Lafayette Utilities System, thinks BellSouth's real goal is to kill the project. "Their end-game is to frustrate us so much that we back away from this project," he says. Huval adds, "There won't be any cross-subsidies" because the city plans to use revenue from its new broadband services to finance the entire cost of the project."
Most rich people get their money off the backs of the hard working lower-class, So it doesn't bother me. |
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ppcpunk
join:2001-02-11
Davenport, IA
| reply to hailinfantry
He didn't say due capitalist process should get out of the way. He also didn't imply it because in our society(capitalism) municipal services are common.
Also he doesn't have to speak for everyone in his community - sometimes people in power have to do go against the majority - Like it or not that is how our government is set up, we do not live in a strict democracy. This is why we elect people to make choices for us. |
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ppcpunk
join:2001-02-11
Davenport, IA
| reply to russotto
Then how about you just build a network and lease port access to many different companies providing all kinds of different services and pay back the money it takes to build such a project with the money you make leasing port access over say 20 years or whatever length of time. |
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ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL
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Typical Muni based fiber plans do not use general tax revenue to fund their efforts. They use their tax-exempt bonding authority to have the project underwritten and pay for the capital costs. The actual revenue to pay the bonds comes from the system subscriber income.
Other than competition, what scares Cox and BS is that Muni's can finance capital improvements cheaper than they can by using their tax-exempt bonding status. Typically, publicly held companies cannot get 30 year bonds that cheaply and pay back shareholders as quickly as the market is demanding. So they need near monopolistic policy to maintain the higher prices to pay both. |
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Fiber2home
join:2004-12-30
Lafayette, LA
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Somebody needs to build it. All of the incumbants say that we don't need it, they already have it, and that they won't build it. Yes - they have said all three things. If you want to see how they feel about fiber to the home check out their answers to the Chamber's forum questions.
»www.lafchamber.org/site136.php |
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Fiber2home
join:2004-12-30
Lafayette, LA
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Their plan calls for 25 year revenue bonds. There is a group trying to call for an election on the issue and have referenced the incorrect bond type in their petition. The group will have to start over again on getting their 75 signatures which have been obtained by cox and bellsouth employees. |
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Fiber2home
join:2004-12-30
Lafayette, LA | reply to Carl
Actually - the city did a feasibility survey which showed that the majority of the community will switch services. For two months we had the battle of the push polls of Cox vs. LUS. |
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Fiber2home
join:2004-12-30
Lafayette, LA
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Level III, ITC, ATT already tie into the LUS Fiber rings which are in place. One thing that a lot of people don't realize is that LUS is not starting from scratch on this project. The city is looking for a way to better utilize an asset. There is also discussion of how it LUS can connect into LONI which is going to connect into the LambDaRail. The University is already using LUS assets to connect the research park to the main campus. |
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO
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said by underscore : Most rich people get their money off the backs of the hard working lower-class, So it doesn't bother me. Bull. Most rich people get their money by busting their asses and working to the point of exhaustion. Only a few make their money by persecution and it usually comes back to haunt them (like Saddam). |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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said by hailinfantry :for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." No, he's saying the Anti-Market people and the Monopolists need to get out of the way.
And he's right. So, what are you for? "Capitalism"? 'Fraid not, because that embraces competition. Which currently doesn't exist in any meaningful way, and they seek to KEEP it that way.
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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Brooklyn, NY
| said by KrK : said by hailinfantry :for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." No, he's saying the Anti-Market people and the Monopolists need to get out of the way. And he's right. So, what are you for? "Capitalism"? 'Fraid not, because that embraces competition. Which currently doesn't exist in any meaningful way, and they seek to KEEP it that way. Not sure how a socialist broadband provider with tax-free bonds for funding that allows them to undercut any capitalist free-market competition fosters capitalism.
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Carl
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Krotz Springs, LA
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said by Fiber2home :Actually - the city did a feasibility survey which showed that the majority of the community will switch services. For two months we had the battle of the push polls of Cox vs. LUS. Oh i thought it was KLFY lol.
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