Why are some warentys outlawed in some states?

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PhoenixAZ Joshua Premium join:2004-01-04 Phoenix, AZ	Why are some warentys outlawed in some states? Why are some warentys outlawed in some states? Every item has a labled, not valied in some states or something similar.
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL	Usually it is only the paid "extended" warranties... I am not sure what the reasoning is... but many extended warranties are not legal in FL. (especially from out of state companies, such as Apple... you can't buy Apple Care here) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI	reply to PhoenixAZ Why in the world would an extended warrany be illegal in some states? To punish the consumer? I take it Florida has no Consumer Advocate? (Probably not since that is a Democratic thing and anathema to Republicans). My understanding (until this wierd information about Florida) has always been that the protection from the warrenty is frequently inadequate and so states that care about the consumer (read some more Democratic states such as California, and other Western states including Hawaii) enforce STRICTER warranties. Geez, I am sure glad I don't live in Florida if I am forbidden to buy a 3 year next business day in house repair warranty on my computer because that is an extended warranty beyond the one year standard warranty! -- The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government...Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. Thomas Jefferson 1789
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jeffster1970 Whatta Ya Think About Dat? Premium join:2004-04-01 Kitchener, ON clubs:	Sorta like Canada...warranties apply everywhere except for Quebec...Quebec is supposed to more 'liberal'...
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Johkal Cool Cat Premium,MVM join:2002-11-13 Happy Valley clubs: ·Comcast Digital Vo.. ·Comcast ·Vonage	reply to PhoenixAZ said by PhoenixAZ : Why are some warentys outlawed in some states? Every item has a labled, not valied in some states or something similar. How about an example? -- Write me up for doing 125.......
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mack1951 Universal Soldier join:2000-04-18 Bayonne, NJ	reply to PhoenixAZ Most extended warrentys are seen by some states as insurance policys and they do not allow by law anyone to sell insiurance in their state without being licensed. -- THE ROAD: Romans 3:23, 6:23, 5:8, 10:9
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beck Premium,MVM join:2002-01-29 On The Road	reply to PhoenixAZ But you can still buy a "service agreement" can't you? Don't call it a warrantee.
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biv Bbr Biv Premium,MVM join:2000-09-26 Baltimore, MD ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to mack1951 said by mack1951 : Most extended warrentys are seen by some states as insurance policys and they do not allow by law anyone to sell insiurance in their state without being licensed. That's the major reason, as I understand it. The other related issue is that most of these extended warranties are completely useless to the consumer because of the limiting language of the coverage policy. -- Don't blame me. I voted for the one with a brain.
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Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI	reply to PhoenixAZ I have never heard of Dell not honoring a three or four year warranty. I had Dell send me a free piece of hardware ( and no shipping charge which would have been around $40 if I had to pay for the shipping) the day before my three year warranty expired on my first Dell. Dell also sent me a brand new Trinitron monitor during the second year of that warranty on my first Dell and a keyboard in the third year. The monitor would have cost me at least $100 in shipping charges alone if Hawaii didn't allow extended warranties. On my latest Dell, I had them offer to send all new speakers (taking my word and no further investigation by the Dell tech) that the speakers had no sound and no green light when turned on. It was only when I was on hold, while the tech prepared the paperwork for the new speakers, that I(for about the tenth time) decided to check the wires again. I found one wire the tiniest bit loose from when I moved the box to be able to reach the back panel. I pushed the connector in really tight and the speakers worked! So, I told Dell to cancel sending new speakers. Dells are sold with one warranties and you can buy additional warranty. My computer was past the one year and into the additional warranty when I called about the speaker problem. Dell sure didn't say "We sold you shit and lied to you and we won't honor your extended warranty". That is utterly absurd for a state to decide that all businesses are assholes which is what any state which does not allow the customer to buy an extended warranty has done according to the posts I am reading in this thread. I suppose these asshole states also deny the customer the right to extended warranties from Visa or Mastercard because even though the issuing bank might be physically located in the state Mastercard and Visa issue those warranties and they aren't physically located in all 50 states? I have had those Visa/Mastercard/American Express extended warranties and/or sales protection and never had one not honored. I was considering moving to Florida, but now that I know I have no rights regarding buying extended warranties in Florida, I sure wouldn't want to move there. My extended warranties with Dell have more than paid for themselves many times over. Dell sends a tech second business day to repair. They fly the tech over from Honolulu if, for instance, your CDROM drive goes bad during the warranty period that you have and, of course, assuming that you bought the warranty for 2nd day in house repair. It would have cost me more than the price of the warranty to hire someone here to repair the Dell and then ordered the part from Dell with the high cost of shipping to Hawaii. I would have been lucky to get this one thing fixed in 30 days and for this one thing I would have paid more than the entire cost of the three year warranty. So, I ask again, why do these states hate the consumer so much? -- The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government...Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. Thomas Jefferson 1789
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL	Well now here is a weird one for ya.... I bought a used Mac Powerbook off EBay with a balance of term Apple Care (one of few warranties that are transferable warranties) Now while with a new Mac bought in FL, I could not get Apple Care... I DID use the transfered (from out of state) service contract within FL on that notebook. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL 4 edits	reply to Mele20 said by Mele20 : I was considering moving to Florida, but now that I know I have no rights regarding buying extended warranties in Florida, I sure wouldn't want to move there. Not that FL needs ANY more people (as doesn't urban HI, and TRUE Hawaiians I have known would even say for rural HI)!!! Please if it takes that little reason DON'T come here!! You need to read more CAREFULLY... I said OUT OF STATE extended warranties.... believe me CC, Best, Buy, etc do offer them and legally because they are IN STATE presence... its not ALL, just those with no state presence. (And therefore no control/direct recourse when problems... which they ARE often known for... ie: whoever above mentioned the often myriad of fine print bail outs.) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI	I have never heard of CC, Best or Buy. I have no idea what CC stands for. I assume Best is Best Buy as I think I have seen people mention that here? What is Buy? We don't have any of those stores in Hawaii. I purchase my computers from Dell and thank goodness I now know idiots are in charge in Florida if I can't buy a three year warranty from Dell and have it honored in Florida. I have no intention of ever buying a computer from a walk in store. I still cannot believe that Florida punishes anyone who buys a Dell computer. That astounds me. For me, not only is this an important reason, but this is also indictive of the kind of government in Florida. I want no part of Republicans who have only contempt for those who are disabled, low income, or even middle class, etc. To deny a person the right to purchase a computer (or anything else) from the seller they choose to purchase from with a warranty is insane. Why in the world didn't the people of Florida stop something like this from passing your legislature? The conclusion would be that Florida is not a place where the consumer has rights and for some crazy reason the residents of the state think that is fine since they let this pass into law. I don't want to live among a bunch of people who think in this manner. -- The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government...Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. Thomas Jefferson 1789
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL 1 edit	Circuit City and Best Buy... sorry if you haven't heard of two of the BIGGEST electronics retailers in the (mainland) country maybe next to dregs/cheapest Chinese s*** Walmart. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	reply to PhoenixAZ CC=Circuit City, Best Buy=Best Buy, both are pretty much big box electronics stores that sell TVs, computers, radios, camera and video equipment, CDs and DVDs. kinda like a walmart for home entertainment. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL 4 edits	reply to Mele20 said by Mele20 : I now know idiots are in charge in Florida (well DUHH Dubya's brother JEB!!!) quote: if I can't buy a three year warranty from Dell and have it honored in Florida. (Yes as long as you didn't BUY it here and DELL doesn't have a corporate presence... but likely do... even if just a shipping wharehouse... that's all it takes) quote: I have no intention of ever buying a computer from a walk in store. I hope you have no expectation of someone supporting a business you might start here too!!![ quote: I still cannot believe that Florida punishes anyone who buys a Dell computer. That astounds me. (And like in HI you EVER get FREE shipping (from the many places that offer it otherwise??... WELL NOOOOO!!! one way or another you pay for nice places you may live.) quote: For me, not only is this an important reason, but this is also indicative of the kind of government in Florida. I want no part of Republicans who have only contempt for those who are disabled, low income, or even middle class, etc. The modern Republicans don't give a S* about ANYONE that isn't in the top 5%... we definitely need to get out from under the bushes!! And I know those who are that have the MINIMAL tax returns in just the past couple of years (even for them unbelievingly so) to PROVE it.... does your convenience store clerk next door??? PS not that I would want him to continue the BUSH DYNASTY.... I sure as S* want Jeb out of FL... then again he can't run again so its 3rd Bush Pres or BUST. (Though he at least is SLIGHTLY more SMART than just keep reading "My Pet Goat" Dubya.... though that would be a dangerous thing given where that fraction of the Republicans are headed. PPS I ain't exactly mega wealthy... but have various investments, etc.... (Well under $80K/yr but better than many) yet last year based on previous years I managed to over pay estimated tax to the tune of $11,000.... and you know a store clerk, etc near you that can say the same?... I sure don't!!! Just who are the supposed everyman BUSH tax breaks MOST benefitting???? (HINT that was all because of INVESTMENT, NOT EARNED income!!! (Not that the country doesn't need that too) But again where are the BUSH tax cuts REALLY going??? Not to the slaving DAY IN DAY OUT MAN/WOMAN that most need it!!! They just got tossed their $1000 auto refund check. (As I did too) Oh and did anyone notice we are supposedly funding a WAR for BILLIONS.... we scraped up a million of two for the Tsunami victims though... hey you think your credit card balance is a problem?... thank god I don't have kids this Pres is handing the bill from hell to.... might even catch up to me... but with luck I may be DEAD by then... or on a some other country island. SWorry for straying of topic but damn as I said before I sure as S*** hope I am dead by the time tis INSANE bill comes due. Say what you will about Clinton but he left Dubya a for several years before an actually more or less balanced budget.!!! -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI	Just because I want to continue buying Dell computers doesn't mean I don't support local businesses! I would definitely buy software, routers, modems, etc. in a local store. I was just asking tonite, in my favorite grocery (LOCALLY OWNED - not Safeway), about why I have not been able to find, for the past two weeks, my favorite eggs which are from Waimea on this island and are heavenly as they are brown, fertile eggs from hens that are free range and fed a vegetarian diet. They are also free from samonella like all local eggs and that means, unlike with all Mainland eggs, you can poach or fry these eggs sunnyside up. I miss that a lot when on the Mainland that I can't eat eggs the way I like them. All the local egg farms in the state (most of them on this island) are in grave danger of going out of business because they have to charge more than the horrible shell protected, so old you can't bake with them, eggs consumers insist on buying sent here from the Mainland. I praised this grocery for their strong support of local farmers and said I really hope it is just that the egg farm is low on eggs right now and not that they have had to go out of business. The supervisor is going to call me in the morning after he finds out what is going on. I strongly believe in supporting local businesses as much as I can. There are some times though when I do prefer buying from a company located outside my state and Dell computers is one of those. I'm going to call Dell's sales department and ask them about this issue. I lived in Florida (Daytona Beach) and taught at an aeronautical institute there many years ago. I loved Florida back then...I'm sure I wouldn't recognize it today. And as for the Bushes, I want them all back in the bushes away from the public so they can't do any more harm than they already have caused which is a huge amount. Do I understand your comment correctly that if I have bought the Dell in another state and then move to Florida the warranty would continue to be in effect because I didn't buy it while living in Florida but before I move there? However, the next Dell I bought, while living in Florida, I would not be able to get a three year warranty for it unless Dell has some physical presence in Florida? I still think that is really crazy. I gather Florida is not the only state like this so why doesn't Dell make that clear on their website? When in the purchase process (if you had just moved to Florida and were ignorant of this law) would you be told that you could not buy a three or four year warranty? I'll have to ask Dell that also. A lot of Dell's promotions by email, website, etc. feature getting the third year free during a particular time, etc and there is nothing in these promotions to indicate that they are illegal in some states. -- The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government...Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. Thomas Jefferson 1789
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL 4 edits	said by Mele20 : I lived in Florida (Daytona Beach) and taught at an aeronautical institute there many years ago. I loved Florida back then...I'm sure I wouldn't recognize it today. probably not Daytona... unless cars and races are your life... the beach was severly hit by the hurricanes... only place in FL I really considered living was right here... we have state restrictions... but KW is about as far from mainland FL (or the rest of the US) as you can get PHYSICALLY AND SOCIALLY... there are a few places left on the west coast I might consider though .. if I cashed out of here. I thought a house far to expensive but managed to get 6 years ago that is now worth TRIPLE or a bit more!!! But WILL be out of here before all they realize, they can live here, but there is no longer any one to take out the garbage or wait on them because they can no longer afford to live here (already a near boiling issue) unless they want to bus them in 150 mi. daily from Miami. (most service industry people here already have several roommates if not jobs... or big surprise illegal aliens) ... too many people with too much money to spend... that will suddenly be shocked there will no longer be people to take out the garbage, let alone serve then a drink under $10 quote: And as for the Bushes, I want them all back in the bushes away from the public so they can't do any more harm than they already have caused which is a huge amount. DITTO quote: Do I understand your comment correctly that if I have bought the Dell in another state and then move to Florida the warranty would continue to be in effect because I didn't buy it while living in Florida but before I move there? However, the next Dell I bought, while living in Florida, I would not be able to get a three year warranty for it unless Dell has some physical presence in Florida? I still think that is really crazy. Probably.. that is the way it worked out with me and Apple. (agin the rare end user to end user transferable warranty and in effect outside FL to begin with)) Again you BUY it here in a store you could get one where there was EASY in state recourse on your behalf if a problem. (and of course as spam proves there are NO SHORTAGE of those who would take advantage of that NOT being the case!!!) Again I don't agree with the ban either as long as it was clear that the state of FL can't really help you if you missed something in the fine print that is valid in the state of origin. Again this is not basic warranties only out of state extendended ones. (which as someone pointed out is almost on the level of out of state/different laws insurance policies... like you would expect FL laws to protect you from gamblimg laws elsewhere on line)) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI 1 edit	Ugh...I didn't realize it was so bad in Florida as far as the average folks go not being able to live there anymore because they have service industry jobs and can't afford the high cost of homes and rents, etc. That is EXACTLY what is happening now on this island. It's the reason I am considering moving. I rent a condo (can't afford to buy...long story) and have lived here for many years and loved it. Now though the real estate market is really cooking on this island (even the rainy east side I am on where most everyone is in low paying service jobs). Suddenly, where there were affordable rentals and homes to be bought on this side now, if you want to buy, you beg the seller and bribe and buy sight unseen for a great deal more than the seller is asking...otherwise you don't get it because someone else offered twice the seller's price sight unseen. And as for those who rent (over 50% of the Hawaii population) well...if the condo you rent (almost no apartments now ...all converted to condos) gets sold then there is nothing available. I know people who have gone from nice apartments and they have steady employment to living on the beach in a tent and they hunt and hunt and there is nothing available even if they spend 50% of their income on the rental. I am afraid that my owner will suddenly decide to sell or die and his kids will sell (he is quite elderly) or will jack up the rent to where I cannot afford it and it is very scary. I am disabled and not far from senior citizen status. My health is ok (given the disability), but who knows when that might change and if I had to move with nowhere to move ....well, it is so bad here now that people like myself are being officially advised by county and state officials to leave the state and go to Oregon or Washington state where lots of new housing for disabled/elderly/low income is being built (some of it with cable modem built in as those states realize that the internet is very much needed by this group). Guess, Florida is not such a good idea. But it is warm there...cold in Oregon. I can't imagine returning to the Mainland after almost 33 years in Hawaii all in Hilo which was a sleepy, extremely rainy town, very local town, totally undiscovered by wealthy Mainlanders until about three years ago. It has been a life style, I imagine, much like yours....tremendous culture shock if I were to have to go back to the Mainland. A Mainland, late 30's couple, from Silicon valley recently bought 1.5 acres near Laupahoehoe on the Hamakua coast north of Hilo about 25 miles. Small home ( approx.1300 square feet) with NO electricity, NO water, NO sewer, NO landline phone. Cell phone sometimes works out of doors only. Satellite tv reception is poor and satellite broadband is horrible and very expensive. They EAGERLY paid $1 million for this. The school teacher who owned it for six years (he came from California to retire) had paid $150,000. Edited cause I am too sleepy to get my facts straight! -- The first and foremost function of our jurors is to protect private citizens from a tyrannical and intrusive government...Jurors are the last line of defense for liberty. Thomas Jefferson 1789
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Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL	Parts of FL are still affordable, but most places coastal are rapidly rocketing... and the Keys are more so than most as there is just so much Islands and they aren't allowed to fill anymore. (Plus just one two lane road out for 130 miles) -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
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