Karl Bode
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Re: This is asinine
Foster notes that's Microsoft's stance:
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Silly me - I should have guessed. Of course, Microsoft isn't violating anyone else's EULA. It's you, the Windows AntiSpyware customer, who is solely responsible for violating your solemn contractual agreement with Claria, DirectRevenue, or whomever. You have a solemn contractual agreement with Microsoft that says so.
Personally the EULA issue doesn't interest me.
What interests me is Microsoft facing a choice: Improve their security standing by sticking to their definitions of ad/spyware, or morphing those definitions like Aluria did at the behest of adware vendors, after being offered lucrative marketing deals..... |
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joebear29
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| said by Karl Bode  :Foster notes that's Microsoft's stance: quote:
Silly me - I should have guessed. Of course, Microsoft isn't violating anyone else's EULA. It's you, the Windows AntiSpyware customer, who is solely responsible for violating your solemn contractual agreement with Claria, DirectRevenue, or whomever. You have a solemn contractual agreement with Microsoft that says so.
Personally the EULA issue doesn't interest me. What interests me is Microsoft facing a choice: Improve their security standing by sticking to their definitions of ad/spyware, or morphing those definitions like Aluria did at the behest of adware vendors, after being offered lucrative marketing deals..... Yeah, I read that bit. He still seems to think the only reason Microsoft is not violating Claria's EULA is because a sentence in Microsoft's EULA shifts that burden to the user, as opposed to the real reason, which is no one (not even Microsoft) can violate a contract they did not agree to.
But that silliness aside, I do agree the main issues is whether Microsoft can maintain the integrity of the spyware removal product. I agree with you, in that I doubt they can, even if they had the best intentions; Microsoft is simply too large and vulnerable to bad press and lawsuits that adware types can bring to bear if they feel their software is unfairly listed.
Spyware removal is a game for small businesses or non-profits, not corporate behemoths. |
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Karl Bode
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| They're Microsoft, they could do pretty much anything they like, but they won't.
Shame too, because it's a good shot for them to dig in their heels and establish themselves as serious about PC security.
Of course if they were serious about PC security they'd update non XP2 versions of IE, so I suppose that's a moot point.  |
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Considering the size of Microsoft (financially or otherwise) and the relative pittance they might be offered by Claria, et al, versus the immediate and gleefully inflicted harm the company would receive from one and all, it seems highly unlikely they would cave in.
Much to lose, little to nothing to be gained.
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Karl Bode
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Considering the size of Microsoft (financially or otherwise) and the relative pittance they might be offered by Claria, et al, versus the immediate and gleefully inflicted harm the company would receive from one and all, it seems highly unlikely they would cave in.
I don't know, Claria, WhenU, 180Solutions and their ilk are getting very wealthy - and in turn very powerful, very quickly. Full support of the direct Marketing Association too, who knows this is a mega-monster profit source over the next decade. |
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GercekSeytan
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| I admit anything is possible. It just that I would think the folks at Redmond would realize that a significant part of what contributes to the MS bashing and keeps the folks in the Security Forum hopping is caused by these marketing-above-all lowlifes.
On the other hand, there's always hubris.
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said by Karl Bode :Foster notes that's Microsoft's stance: quote:
Silly me - I should have guessed. Of course, Microsoft isn't violating anyone else's EULA. It's you, the Windows AntiSpyware customer, who is solely responsible for violating your solemn contractual agreement with Claria, DirectRevenue, or whomever. You have a solemn contractual agreement with Microsoft that says so.
Personally the EULA issue doesn't interest me. What interests me is Microsoft facing a choice: Improve their security standing by sticking to their definitions of ad/spyware, or morphing those definitions like Aluria did at the behest of adware vendors, after being offered lucrative marketing deals..... Personally, the whole program doesn't interest me! I'll stick with Adaware, Spybot and Spywareblaster for the reasonbly very short time frames I DO use IE even.
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