Re: If you can't beat them; join them

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redxii too big to fail Premium,Mod join:2001-02-26 Texas Host: /dev/null Broadband Tweaks Suddenlink ISDN Fiber Optic 4 edits	reply to salient Re: If you can't beat them; join them I want: -Auto mounting of removable media (Windows seems to already know the file system and ISO type... hmmm...) -Native gaming support for all Windows titles -Auto detection of all my hardware, hence the need to not run xorgconfig before running the GUI before ever considering moving to Linux. It's a waste of my time if I can't plug in my USB thumb drive or my iPod without being able to immediately use it. That said; you are probably running with very limited privileges which is something most Windows users never do, because they don't know any better than "internet explorer is the internet." If users ran as a limited user and only used the administrator account for certain administrative issues, then Windows would not have even have half the problems it has now. -- Asus A7N8X-X, Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.0GHz, 768MB Crucial DDR RAM (PC2100), GeForce FX 5600Ultra 128MB DDR AGP, nForce NIC, Samsung SD-616T 16x DVD-ROM and Sony CRX215E1 48x24x48 CD-RW, 40GB & 30GB HDD.
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA	said by redxii : That said; you are probably running with very limited privileges which is something most Windows users never do, because they don't know any better than "internet explorer is the internet." If users ran as a limited user and only used the administrator account for certain administrative issues, then Windows would not have even have half the problems it has now. This needs to first start with the software vendors themselves. Most software (game titles especially) assume that the current user has full Administrative control at all times. Personally testing several games and apps, only a small amount were able to run w/o tweaking involved...and some had files located god-knows-wherever, that I just gave up trying to find out what I needed to give Users access to. So, don't blame your average computer user for not running as a Limited User...most current day software doesn't make it easy for you to do so to begin with.
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redxii too big to fail Premium,Mod join:2001-02-26 Texas Host: /dev/null Broadband Tweaks Suddenlink ISDN Fiber Optic 1 edit	Had no problems using this little guy: As for "tweaking", the concept is the same in Linux as it is in Windows. The whole idea is to not to let them do anything they want on the system as a limited user, or easily for that matter. Linux: Open console, type "su" then the password that goes to root, then exec the install. Windows: Right-click, "Run as..." and provide credentials for an account with administrator privileges. So the average computer can still be blamed. Works in Windows 2000 as well, and including Home Edition of XP. -- Asus A7N8X-X, Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.0GHz, 768MB Crucial DDR RAM (PC2100), GeForce FX 5600Ultra 128MB DDR AGP, nForce NIC, Samsung SD-616T 16x DVD-ROM and Sony CRX215E1 48x24x48 CD-RW, 40GB & 30GB HDD.
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA 1 edit	I thought you were supposed to only do the "Run as..." was for Administrative tasks, such as installing software, chaging settings, etc. I would personally have all my family PCs running as limited users, but the whole "making them have to do 'Run as...'" every time they wish to run an installed application would drive me nuts. Hell, it took me a YEAR to break them of the habit of opening up AOL to access the internet. Me: No...we've been on DSL for the last few months, you don't NEED to run AOL to get on the 'net. You're always on! Just open the browser. Family member: Web browser...you mean AOL, right? Me: sigh
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redxii too big to fail Premium,Mod join:2001-02-26 Texas Host: /dev/null Broadband Tweaks Suddenlink ISDN Fiber Optic 1 edit	I guess we share something. I am the only knowledgeable person in this house, we have 2 laptops and 2-3 desktops, one of which is mine. I run the desktop downstairs as limited users. They tend to get viruses and adware, not knowing the difference between Yes and No (they assume everything you have to say 'Yes' to). If they want something installed, they have to ask me, and I do the Run as or login with my admin account. If they get infected, I don't want that computer compromising mine and nor do I want to fix it. They'd be very lost without me. I would still want the said Linux features implemented though -- Asus A7N8X-X, Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.0GHz, 768MB Crucial DDR RAM (PC2100), GeForce FX 5600Ultra 128MB DDR AGP, nForce NIC, Samsung SD-616T 16x DVD-ROM and Sony CRX215E1 48x24x48 CD-RW, 40GB & 30GB HDD.
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA	reply to redxii (add on) I think you're a wee bit confused. I don't mean that they have a problem installing things under a Limited user...I completely understand that. I meant having a problem RUNNING certain applications...Diablo II comes to mind. By installation default, I wasn't able to run DII as a limited user, w/o setting the whole Diablo II directory to users having Full Control. Other programs involved giving limited users more rights to vague folders all over the system. This is what I meant that software vendors need to do the first step, and make their software more "limited user" friendly by default. Don't make me search for whatever folder(s) your program has installed itself into, test & see what rights we need, etc...just have me be able to install as Admin, and run as a limited user w/o problems.
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redxii too big to fail Premium,Mod join:2001-02-26 Texas 1 edit	I can agree with that, not the user's fault. I don't like Linux because it's "su command, run install; then the user configures, configures, configures, configures, ..."
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA	Which is precisely why I have to leave my family PCs running with users w/ full admin rights. Otherwise, I'll be spending buttloads of time, trying to figure out exactly what tweaks I have to make to my installed programs to make them "limited user" friendly. The current most popular app in use at home is WoW, and I think even that might not run correctly if launched by a limited user. Thanks for your input, BTW. I thought I was the only one going crazy in this situation here. ^_^
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rte @cable.rogers	reply to redxii " -Auto mounting of removable media (Windows seems to already know the file system and ISO type... hmmm...) " Gnome and kde do this already..hmm " -Native gaming support for all Windows titles " nope " -Auto detection of all my hardware, hence the need to not run xorgconfig before running the GUI " Hotplug does this...what distros have you been runing??
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Thaler Premium join:2004-02-02 Encino, CA	Games and alternate Linux apps are kinda the current desktop killer for the 'nix alternatives. True, yes, there (usually) is a Linux alternative app for every app you're used to running in Windows, but the time spent on Googling/researching/finding these hidden gems is enourmous. Usually if the manufacturer didn't make a Linux alternative themselves for a certain kind of program, I just didn't even bother looking around. (spending hours on Google isn't my idea of fun) Let alone system plug-n-play ability - wireless is a great example. Every hard-core Linux fan will say that "wireless is supported" in Unix...but I so far haven't gotten it to work. Hours of fiddling with various packages, settings, and system tweaks, and I have yet to get my wireless card to detect squat. So, yes, it might be supported, but if it requires me to dedicate a day of research just to get the stupid thing to work...most people (and I) don't even bother. $70-170 is well worth it to me (and most others) to spend on an operating system that hardware manufacturers BUILT the damn things to run on. Games are another field where, much like the Mac, a lot simply JUST DON'T WORK. Yes, you could run an emulator, (which alone eats up a great portion of system resources) or crack the files and later run into errors, (which, after hours of Google-searching, you find have yet to be solved) but it just isn't worth it. Now, if Linux (or any other OS) could overcome those two hurdles, I'd be the first on board to happily switch over. PS. Please don't respond with the "games that only run on Windows aren't even worth playing" statement. I love my games that run, even if it's only in Windows. Sure, it might've been shallow for the game programmers to not design 'ports, but it was their decision to make.
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redxii too big to fail Premium,Mod join:2001-02-26 Texas Host: /dev/null Broadband Tweaks Suddenlink ISDN Fiber Optic 1 edit	reply to rte Linux detects my hardware, all that scrolling text, but I can't run gnome without telling it yet again my hardware Gnome did not auto mount my CDs. Sure, something popped up on the desktop but it claimed it wasn't mounted. So I had to manually mount it.
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rte @cable.rogers	What distro were you using? I use gnome and kde daily (different computers) and they all have automount installed.
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rte @cable.rogers	reply to Thaler There was an attempt to port Win games ot Linux at lokigames.com, but they went out of busniess. Maybe you'll find something there... The problem is mostly in DirectX, but »www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php Cedega (based on WINE) is a for pay option.
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