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anomyous
@swbell.ne | reply to Mazda_6
comcrap...
So the customers will just pay $45+ per month for these invisible caps? Are you thinking that comcrap has no dumb invisible caps? | |
joemaloy
join:2004-12-21
Tonopah, AZ | reply to John122
Re: Comcast Bandwidth Suspension
"250 gigs a month give or take"
Thats a lota porn.....:) | |
John122
@65.174.x.x | reply to Mazda_6
My downloading affects no one in my area unless there are that many other people surfing at 2 am EST
I work evenings/nights and sleep during the day.My computer is rarely on when I'm not home or when I'm sleeping | |
DrData
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join:2004-12-31
Apopka, FL
 ·Embarq
| reply to Mazda_6
It seems to me most don’t understand how much 200gb monthly really is. Consider the average broadband user utilizes less then 8 GB per month, which includes several large, downloads and a 24x7 connection. I can see how you 200 gig’rs stand out.
If you are downloading 200 GB per month then you are obviously doing something illegal and should be terminated, and I don’t care what you say or how you try to justify, you are doing something you shouldn’t be to use that amount.
I use my DSL connection for business and home use; software downloads, XBOX LIVE, live music streaming via shoutscast, remote desktop, etc. and use less then 10 GB per month.
200 GB is massive alone, let alone every month; stop the illegal downloads and I bet you or Comcast will have nothing to complain about. | |
djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
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·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Mazda_6
quote:
250GB's is not that hard to do nor do you need a super huge hard drive. Burners are fast enough to not make it time intesnsive as well. Quite the opposite.
250GB is 56 DVD-Rs. That's almost two feature-length movies a night, every day of the month. I'm with the holy scooter boy above, what on earth are you doing with that much data? There just isn't that much good porn/music/moviez/warez/whatever out there to sustain such heavy usage unless you're being completely non-selective and downloading anything and everything that could possibly come in.
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toiletduq
| reply to Mazda_6
This is a slow month for me. They will feel the fury when I hit 6mbit.  | |
TraumaJunkie
Premium
join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN
1 edit | reply to anomyous
Re: COMCRAP....
said by anomyous:
comcrap and most other cable ISP have those suck invisible caps. I hate the way on how comcrap/cable is treating their customers like "bandwidth theft on web hosting". Look, if their a$$ connection can't support 3Mbps+ without caps, then reduce it down to 1.5M-. So they can remove those caps and stop treating their customers like "bandwidth theft". The customers pay $45+ for the connection to the Internet, they should have the right to use the connection at anytime. If ISP want to cap, they must put it on their ads or tell the customers what the cap is!! These invisible caps from comcrap/cable are dumbass suck. comcrap/cable with caps are really designed for newbies who just do browse/email.
People will be more receptive to your message when you stop resorting to name calling and foul language. Speak like you have an education.
Now, read the last line in this quote from your own provider's AUP and tell me what it means? Caps? Yes, it could. So even your own provider could determine your excessive use interefered with other subscriber's use and enjoyment and cancel your account. This can be found under item 16.
"Use Limitation. SBC Yahoo! reserves the right to suspend or terminate your Service or to suspend or terminate any Member ID, electronic mail address, IP address, Universal Resource Locator or domain name used by you in the event it is used in a manner, which (i) constitutes violation of any law, regulation or tariff (including, without limitation, copyright and intellectual property laws); (ii) is defamatory, fraudulent, obscene or deceptive; (iii) is intended to threaten, harass or intimidate; (iv) tends to damage the name or reputation of SBC, Yahoo!, or their respective parents, affiliates and subsidiaries; or (v) interferes with other Members' use and enjoyment of the Services provided by SBC and Yahoo!."
And read this from section 14.
"General Practices & Limits. You also acknowledge that SBC Yahoo! may establish general practices and limits concerning use of the Service, including without limitation, limiting the maximum number of days that email messages, message board postings or other uploaded Content will be retained by the Service; the maximum number of email messages that may be sent from or received by an account on the Service; the maximum size of any email message that may be sent from or received by an account on the Service; the maximum disk space that will be allotted on Yahoo!'s servers on your behalf; the maximum length of time that an IP address will be assigned for your use; the maximum throughput of traffic from the Internet or associated service (e.g., Usenet, email, web hosting) and the maximum number of times (and the maximum duration for which) you may access the Service in a given period of time. You agree that neither SBC nor Yahoo! have responsibility or liability for the deletion, for failure to store or to deliver any messages and other communications, for the modification or malformation of data communications over the Service, or for other Content maintained or transmitted by the Service. You acknowledge that SBC Yahoo! reserves the right to log off accounts or disconnect sessions that are inactive for an extended period of time. You further acknowledge that SBC and Yahoo! reserve the right to change these general practices and limits at any time without advance notice."
Seems to me your greater than life DSL has it's limits too.
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hdo96815
join:2004-06-28
Honolulu, HI | reply to b1gdr3
Re: Comcast Bandwidth Suspension
b1gdr3 said...
downloading 10 gigs a day is one way
seriously... how do you do that... dont tell me newsgroups. another source plz. | |
toiletduq
| reply to Mazda_6
I have no real issue with imposed limits. It's their bandwidth.
What I have an issue with is not telling us where the limit is. Wanna tell us we can only do 200GB/month? Tell us. This non-blanket enforcement of invisible caps is ridiculous, though. If you're lucky enough to be on a node where you're the only person who can read, let alone has internet access, they say nothing, as if there isn't a cap at all (wow!). But the moment your neighbor's porn downloads slow down, you get a letter.
If they want to enforce limits, fine. This is the wrong way to handle their oversubscription problem, though. | |
jonez
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join:2004-09-24
Stow, MA
·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | reply to djrobx
250 GBs of data is not hard at all to download, trust me. If you use usenet, a DVDr is roughly 4.3 GBs of data, then you need to factor in pars, which are usually anywhere from 500 MB to 1GB.
That is about 50 DVDrs in one month.
Then you need to factor in upload, because when comcast calls you about your bandwidth use, it's a cummulative amount, meaning they factor in uploading and downloading. Everyone knows in order to downlaod a packet, you need to send a packet. When I max out my line with newsgroups, i notice that my upstream is being used at roughly 20-25 KB/s, consistently. Now that's not much, however when you download over 200 GBs of data, the upload does start adding up more substantially.
Now on top of that, there's other uses such a P2P. I download a lot of anime, which can be anywhere from 4 GBs to 30 GBs of a whole series of seasons. There's also streaming radio stations (which is a constant stream of data being used), sending family photos and videos out, which if uncompressed, can be quite large in size.
I live in massachusetts too, so it's kinda funny that we both live in the same state and both got calls. I slowed down my useage, in part because i ran out of things to download  , and because i'd rather keep my service (verizon's installing fiber in the town next to me and my town next!) atleast until I get FIOS in the spring.
You really can't say that 250 GBs in one month is hard, because everyone has their own uses of the internet. There are light users, moderate users and heavy users of the internet. If you are a light or moderate user of the internet, don't start telling those who use more than you that they shouldn't or that it's really hard, because it's hard for you, not for others who use more than you. And i know for a fact that my node isn't being used that much because I asked the account observation employee who called up. If I was affecting others internet, i would have taken responsibility and slowed down a long time ago.  | |
Deeply
@comcast.net
| reply to Mazda_6
>It seems to me most don’t understand how much 200gb monthly
>really is. Consider the average broadband user utilizes less
>then 8 GB per month, which includes several large, downloads
>and a 24x7 connection. I can see how you 200 gig’rs stand out.
>If you are downloading 200 GB per month then you are obviously
>doing something illegal and should be terminated, and I don’t
>care what you say or how you try to justify, you are doing
>something you shouldn’t be to use that amount.
Uhm, excuse me, but, I haven't gotten a letter, and am uaually
up between midnight and 6 AM looking at pictures from
Microsoft's Terraserver.
Microsoft advertises that there are 3 terabytes of
data on it.
There is also a free website where you can watch old
horror movies online.
At day 4 of January, I downloaded a program called Networx
to find out how much data I was actually looking at.
To my surprise, my total u/d is 92 gb.
That includes the 1.3 mb I've used so far to check email
and read the board here. I agree that 200 GB a month is
quite excessive, but I also point out that with streaming
video, online music, flash/shockwave, popups (saw a recent
article that said popups/unders are going by the wayside to
be replaced by video ads) and the new video ads that are
coming out show that 200 GB is quite easy to attain in a month if you're online alot as I am.
As for doing anything illegal? Nope. I don't subscribe to
peer to peer networks or bittorrent or any file sharing
services. I use video conferencing a couple of times a
week to talk to my family back east, look at data from
Terraserver, watching an old horror movie once in a
while. In the meantime, I still have to put up with ads
on Yahoo's pages, and for those that say I should get
a graphics blocker, the graphics are still sent even if
they are filtered. Oh, did I forget instant messaging
and IRC too? 200 gb isn't as much as people think it is.
Granted, when the net (and I) were younger and
text was the only thing you saw, network capacity could
easily handle the data flow with no problem.
200 gb seemed like waaaaay too much.
I remember Apple //e with 140k disks.
I also remember the first 10 meg hard drive, and "high
speed" was 2400 baud.
Now with pages like »www.wnbc.com and other television
stations offering on-line video of their stories (yes I do
like to catch up on things back east) the backbone itself
may be getting clogged. (Liquid Plumber anyone?)
It seems to me, that with the new 1GB/Sec network cards
and routers out there, people are going to want more and
more speed even if they can't see the difference.
It seems content providers (NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, Yahoo)
are pushing more and more into the pipe. Places such
as these are giving people what they want, on demand
access to video. Up to the minute news, sports, stocks,
etc etc. All this take up bandwidth.
What about malware/spyware/viruses/spam?
Do you ask for it? Nope. Do you get it? Yep. Do you want it?
Nope. Do you get it anyway? Yep.
How about this? Connect a computer to Comcast HSI,
with no virus/adware protection, and leave it there for
a month with a bandwidth meter running. Then check back
at the end of the month and see how much the machine has
transferred. Even better. Set up an email account and
don't send/receive anything from it and don't give it out.
See how much spam is there at the end of the month.
I can't wait till connections are 100MBit down, I'll
bet dollars to doughnuts people will complain then too.
Then I can get spam and crap I didn't ask for MUCH faster.
When Comcast finds a way to filter out all the crap I
didn't ask for, then they can tell me to cut back.
Until then, my bill is paid so shaddap!
And FYI, I never download from Terraserver in the daytime.
And for those that really MUST download movies they'll
never watch and games they'll never play, get a laptop
and Wi-Fi it.
--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet | |
ps2wayne
Premium
join:2004-06-23
Hampton, NJ | reply to Mazda_6
What piece of software is that taken with? (Screenshot in above post.?)
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C0mc4st
@attbi.com
| reply to Deeply
That post above was the most anonying post I've ever read. LOL Trust me you won't download 3TB in a day unless you are owning some serious bandwidth. Just because they have 3TB of pictures doesn't mean you're going to download 3TB in a month. Unless you had cough cough Verizon Fios | |
bbtrumpetguy
Premium
join:2005-01-05
Manchester, NH
| For those of you complaining about "invisible caps" and are counting on FIOS to save you, it doesn't look like it's going to happen. The pasted info below is directly from Verion's AUP for their new FIOS service. Looks very similar to Comcast's doesn't it?
3. You may NOT use the Service as follows: (a) for any unlawful, improper or illegal purpose or activity; (b) to post or transmit information or communications that, whether explicitly stated, implied, or suggested through use of symbols, are obscene, indecent, pornographic, sadistic, cruel, or racist in content, or of a sexually explicit or graphic nature; or which espouses, promotes or incites bigotry, hatred or racism; or which might be legally actionable for any reason; (c) to access or attempt to access the accounts of others, to spoof or attempt to spoof the URL or DNS or IP addresses of Verizon or any other entity, or to attempt to penetrate or penetrate security measures of Verizon or other entities' systems ("hacking") whether or not the intrusion results in corruption or loss of data; (d) to bombard individuals or newsgroups with uninvited communications, data or information, or other similar activities, including but not limited to "spamming", "flaming" or denial or distributed denial of service attacks; (e) to transmit unsolicited voluminous emails (for example, spamming) or to intercept, interfere with or redirect email intended for third parties using the Service; (f) to introduce viruses, worms, harmful code and/or Trojan horses on the Internet; (g) to post information on newsgroups which is not in the topic area or charter (e.g. off-topic posting) of the newsgroup; (h) to interfere with another person's usage or enjoyment of the Internet or this Service; (i) to post or transmit information or communications that are defamatory, fraudulent, obscene or deceptive, including but not limited to scams such as "make-money-fast" schemes or "pyramid/chain" letters; (j) to damage the name or reputation of Verizon, its parent, affiliates and subsidiaries, or any third parties; (k) to transmit confidential or proprietary information, except solely at your own risk; (l) to violate Verizon's or any third party's copyright, trademark, proprietary or other intellectual property rights, including trade secret rights; (m) to use more than one IP address obtained from Verizon; (n) to generate excessive amounts (as determined by Verizon in its sole discretion) of Internet traffic, or to disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (o) to engage in activities designed to or having the effect of degrading or denying Service to Verizon users or others (including activities that compromise a server, router, circuit, software or other Internet component ; (p) to use any name or mark of Verizon, its parent, affiliates or subsidiaries, as a hypertext link to any Web site or in any advertising publicity or other commercial manner; (q) to use the Service to operate a server in a manner that interferes with the network or other users’ use of the Service; (r) to use the Service or the Internet in a manner intended to threaten, harass, intimidate; (s) to cause the screen to "scroll" faster than other subscribers or users are able to type to it, or any action that has a similar disruptive effect, on or through the Service; (t) to use the Service to disrupt the normal flow of online dialogue, (u) to use the Service to violate any operating rule, policy or guideline of any other online services provider or interactive service; (v) to attempt to subvert or to aid third parties to subvert, the security of any computer facility or system connected to the Internet; (w) to impersonate any Verizon employee or official or other person or use a false name while using the Service or implying an association with Verizon; (x) to install "auto-responders," "cancel-bots" or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (y) to make false or unverified complaints against any Verizon subscriber, or otherwise abusing any of Verizon's complaint response procedures; (z) to use software or any other device that would allow your account to stay logged on while you are not actively using the Service, unless you are a Broadband customer; (aa) to export software or any information in violation of US export laws; (bb) to use the Service in contravention of the limitations of the pricing plan you have chosen; (cc) for Broadband customers who use static IP address, to use an IP address other than the one assigned by Verizon; (dd) for customer who have been assigned a dynamic IP address to use such IP address to circumvent the changing of IP addresses assigned by the Service or (ee) to open connections to more than one Verizon Usenet news service at a time | |
mAlfunkti0n
join:2003-12-16
Loveland, OH
·Cincinnati Bell
| reply to Mazda_6
So basically why would anyone want HSI if you cant download what you want? Ill switch back over to dialup if thats the case, because large files per Comcast are apparently going to become a thing of the past.
Call the BBB, TV stations, etc and complain, if other people see it thats better than what you had before. You guys that defend crap practices like this are either corporate whores or just completely ignorant and like being walked on by big business. | |
jonez
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join:2004-09-24
Stow, MA
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to bbtrumpetguy
hi bbtrumpetguy  ,
The reason verizon says that is because you can obviously generate some rediculous amounts of bandwidth use from the bandwidth they allow you to have in their packages.
Suppose you had the 15/2 FIOS tier.
If you constantly saturated your line, these are the numbers you would get :
Downstream:
1 day ~ 162GBs
30 days ~ 4,860 GBs
Upstream:
1 day ~ 21.6GBs
30 days ~ 648GBs
No ISP, no matter which one on earth, is going to not have a policy in place that, theoretically, allows each residential user to consume this much bandwidth.
however, verizon never gives out bandwidth use calls with their DSL service, so I would assume the FIOS bandwidth calls will be few and far between. Check out verizon's AUP on their dsl service and I bet they have something similar to that statement that they have in their AUP for FIOS...but I don't believe they ever act upon it since FIOS is not a shared connection either.
EDIT:
I think the only reason they would call is if somehow with their FIOS service, they are saturating other nodes that do not have FIOS and cannot handle as much banwidth throughput as they are getting from users who have FIOS. A lot of COs and their nodes, I would suspect, will have to be upgraded in the coming years if 2 million homes are to be surpassed with a service that can generate this much traffic. | |
kyresponder
| reply to Morty
Analogies, who's right, wrong, blah blah blah.
It is unacceptable to have open ended, undefined "speed limits" and "caps." Why? Simple. Open to interpretation. The mood of the one with the "gavel."
One other big difference. Highways run across 50 states, sectorized into many counties, jurisdictions, good and bad law enforcement types...etc...etc. Comcast is but one entity.
By the way, his analogy is not incorrect. Value X - we don't know what value X is. Was it exceeded? We don't know, because we do not know what "X" is. It doesn't matter whether we drive reckless or not. I.E., it doesn't matter if I download a few large files, or many small files. If it is legit software, running servers, etc. Was the CAP exceeded or not, regardless of the "driving habits." | |
wings10
I Am Legend
Premium
join:2004-06-09
South Elgin, IL |  reply to Mazda_6
200-350 GIG downloads? You people better get off the computer and get outside and enjoy life. Way to much crap to be downloading. Your hard drives must be loaded with AD/Spyware and your PC's run like a turtle's. | |
draven
Premium,Mod
join:2002-02-20
my bunker | reply to Mazda_6
Since this thread has gone the way of most other bandwidth threads, and there is plenty of information contained herein as well as in other threads, it's probably time to end this one. | |
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