navalpatel
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Lubbock, TX | So?
Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. |
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Minister
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Fleeting | The problem is many students and bloggers there are Pro-West, and by terminating contracts with outside ISP's that don't filter content, you're in essence silencing some bloggers from inside the country who would otherwise support Western causes. |
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ropeguru
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People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense. |
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aSic
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It hasnt been our internet for many years now.
The issue now is if we (the US) keep doing stuff like this, it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
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Thaler
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However, if I remember my history correctly, the US military has fully backed out of the internet (aside from accessing webpages at computer terminals) and it lies fully in the domain of civilian use.
Now, wiether or not it's been passed onto UN control, or made into global ownership however, is up to debate. |
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woody7
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said by navalpatel  :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. It's not "our" internet, ours only extends to our physical borders.....and shutting someone down is not a power tool, it is blunt force
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Nerdtalker
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said by navalpatel :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases.
Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff.
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AtomicZero
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"A senior official in the Iranian ministry of Islamic guidance, which handles the media, accused the US government of breaching human rights by allegedly ordering the move..."
OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water... I'm not too bright about business and contracts, but I'm assuming since the US is providing host service then they have the reserve to deny or refuse service. I'd like to think of it as this: if I committed some sort of infraction against my ISP or Web-hosting company, like say, not paying my bills then should I expect the service to be stopped? What can be said of BOMBING the country of that company? |
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DaSneaky1D
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I wonder how useful "our internet" would be if it wasn't for a certain Finnish programmer? Or how useful it would be if other worldwide contributors were denied access to "our internet"?
And I thought China had a closed mind about things.
Now, if the country a business mainly operates in is told by that government to do something, that is one thing...but this has nothing to do with who the "Internet" supposedly belongs to.
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Thaler
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Encino, CA | You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of")
Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
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said by Thaler :You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of") Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. *singing theme* Team America, F*ck You!!!  |
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BonezX
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said by Nerdtalker : said by navalpatel :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases. Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff. because it's harder to get a large group of people pissed off if they can't see what is the catalyst. |
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pnh102
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said by aSic :it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/ Let them try, we'll see how well "the rest of the world" responds to the next major natural disaster.
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pnh102
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said by Thaler :Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. Diplomacy is overrated.
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IGGY
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Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. If we are truly wanting to help others have freedom. Shouldn't we do our best not restrict the voices of those who are trying to express their right to free expression. I agree their can be a fine line between free expression and terrorism at times. Having to judge where that line is crossed can be hard. But if America is truly free. Why should we be blocked from reading the thoughts of other citizens of the world? And why should they be silenced? This seems to be similar to what China does to it's population. I thought we as a nation were supposed to be against this type of thing. You can't get foreign email using Verizon. Your not going to be able to view some nations websites - even though they may not be controversial or support terrorism in any way. Has 1984 started to slip in a decade or two late?
"OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water"
So your saying people that are being persecuted should have no voice? Those who are living in conditions that the world should know about. The world should not be allowed to learn of this? We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content? Why should we have to take steps such as proxies etc. Just to read others views. We shouldn't have to. This approach in the end will not make the world a safer place.
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Kompressor
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Huntington Beach, CA | reply to woody7
I have zero tolerance for terrorists and those who help them. |
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Thaler
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said by pnh102 : said by Thaler :Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. Diplomacy is overrated. Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit.  |
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pnh102
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| said by Thaler :Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit. It also has the teensy-weensy little problem of being completely and totally ineffective at stopping terrorists and protecting the USA.
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
2 edits | reply to IGGY
said by IGGY :Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. In this particular instance, I'll have to admit, I am very ambivalent. From the business and pragmatic point of view, I say yes. Block them off, and frankly THEY ARE NOT SUFFERING!!! they just don't have access to certain sites. Any [wo]man with half a purpose in life will be able to circumvent that, and if they can't well tough cookies because for right now for our national security we can have people sending terrorist memos to each other [any ideas on how O'sama kept in touch with his kamikaze pilots?] So I am for cutting it...but obviously not permanently, we would need to find a solution fast. However, babies aren't gonna die from it so let's not go elevating the situation to levels that simply don't warrant it. What next the PANDEMIC issue of their kids receiving last years gameboy?
We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content? America's been censoring media since DAY 1, personally I don't agree with it - when people die they leave dead bodies...and btw women have breasts- However, the US govt's alleged involvement in this situation would not be for censorship reason's it is a matter of supposed safety.
What I am wary of is what type of precedent does this establish, and if such practices were applied externally, will they gradually move inward? The repercussions of shutting down certain domestic sites for being deemed too inflammatory or threatening would be alarming |
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crazediamond
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Germantown, MD | reply to AtomicZero
Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one.
Pot calling the kettle black? :P |
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