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navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | So? Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. | |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Re: So? The problem is many students and bloggers there are Pro-West, and by terminating contracts with outside ISP's that don't filter content, you're in essence silencing some bloggers from inside the country who would otherwise support Western causes. | |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs: | People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense. | |
| | Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: So? However, if I remember my history correctly, the US military has fully backed out of the internet (aside from accessing webpages at computer terminals) and it lies fully in the domain of civilian use.
Now, wiether or not it's been passed onto UN control, or made into global ownership however, is up to debate. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
| Re: So? "A senior official in the Iranian ministry of Islamic guidance, which handles the media, accused the US government of breaching human rights by allegedly ordering the move..."
OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water... I'm not too bright about business and contracts, but I'm assuming since the US is providing host service then they have the reserve to deny or refuse service. I'd like to think of it as this: if I committed some sort of infraction against my ISP or Web-hosting company, like say, not paying my bills then should I expect the service to be stopped? What can be said of BOMBING the country of that company? | |
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crazediamond
That's Dr. Craze to you
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join:2002-01-19
Germantown, MD | Re: So? Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one.
Pot calling the kettle black? :P | |
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Re: So? said by crazediamond  :Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one. Pot calling the kettle black?  The iranian imans can go stuff It down a black hole, After all We know of Human Rights and Religious Tolerance, They don't know the meaning of the phrase nor practice, They do know terrorism and aren't to be trusted, As that government would Lie like a Persian rug, and that's what rugs do, They lie flat. As a government iran is a failure and They know It. Sure We did back the Shah, But backing someone doesn't mean We approved of what the person did that was wrong(Mostly ignorant about any torture, possibly), Khomeini was wrong about the West as the Western world wasn't His enemy or even evil, Just different and as such does not deserve to be hated. But from what I've seen on TV and read online This seems to be the attitude of part of the Muslim world, That intolerance/lies is the way to spread Islam, Usually by force, As that was how northern Africa was converted to Islam, By Jihad as in Convert or Die. The radicals in Islam would vaporize whole cities in the West or the Far East If They had Nuclear weapons and Osama Bin Laden I think has said as much. Do I hate Muslims? No. Am I a Muslim? No. Do I think Islam needs to grow up and stop being a being a brat? Yes. Is Osama Bin Laden a Freedom Fighter? No. He's a mass murderer, Yet in the Muslim world He's a celebrity/hero now as that is how They see Him as and They think New York, Washington DC & PA was a Jewish conspiracy. | |
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join:2005-01-24
San Francisco, CA | Re: So? We know human rights and religious tolerance???
Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American.
A group totally being denied religious freedom. | |
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Re: So? said by idledsl :We know human rights and religious tolerance??? Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American. A group totally being denied religious freedom. It's a lot better here than in like say Saudi Arabia, Where being Gay will get Your head chopped off. And I said Religious Tolerance, Gays are treated badly cause of bigotry, I'm not Gay at all and cause I'm not married and have no kids some when I was Younger thought I was, I like women very much. But what women would want a nearly 400lb. guy with arthritis, joint problems, anxiety and concentration problems? Heck We know what the NAZI Party did to Jews, Gays and the Disabled in WWII, They were all either Gassed or burned alive in buildings or shot.... | |
| | | | | | | Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by idledsl :We know human rights and religious tolerance??? Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American. A group totally being denied religious freedom. I thought we were just denying them tax breaks, adoption in certain states, and promoting bible-thumping persecution? Religion, however, isn't something that's currently being denied. Sure, there are certain sects of religion that would sooner pin you to the cross than let you worship, but there are more accepting chapters in most any popular religion today.
I personally feel like anyone should be allowed into any religious observation who really wants to be there, but of course my own personal opinion means didly squat when the person in charge wants to plaster "NO QUEERS" to their chapel/temple/kiosk/etc. | |
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lyls
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Sean
join:2004-01-23
Ottawa
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| said by ropeguru :People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense. You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.. we just couldn't use it.
Besides, just cause the telephone was created by a Canadian (yes, I think Canada deserves the pride for Bell's telephone), doesn't mean we own the telephony technology. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
| Re: So? said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? | |
| | | | Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: So? said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good.  | |
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join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| Re: So? said by Thaler : said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. ROTFL | |
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trebzon
join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: So? said by noone1 : said by Thaler : said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. ROTFL Oh thats good:D | |
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | Re: So? That would be the 9th day, when it was discovered that we needed little blue pills to properly enjoy our new-found internet glories. ^_^ | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Thaler : said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. And who is the patron saint of the internet? Or did Bill Gates "donate" for that right? | |
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aSic
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Wakulla, FL
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| It hasnt been our internet for many years now.
The issue now is if we (the US) keep doing stuff like this, it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: So? said by aSic :it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/ Let them try, we'll see how well "the rest of the world" responds to the next major natural disaster.
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join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| Re: So? said by JTRockville :"The rest of the world" responded quite generously to the most recent major natural disaster. Australia: $764 million Germany: $661 million Japan: $500 million Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh? My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US. And how much did the US military spend in helping move aid and in rescue missions, etc? If you put a price tag on that, it alone would dwarf all of the formentioned contributions; let alone the dollars we gave out in government and private donations and no other country in the world has the ability to react as quickly as we did. Simple fact, more dollars flow out of the US for outside aid, education, housing, food, etc to outside countries (beyond disaster help) then the top 10 nations combine. Yet this might change, the US is turning isoltionistic, and the perceived (probably justifiably) thanklessness and near slander by many is not helping. The rest of the world would not get along just fine if the US closed up and became ultra isolationists. In fact, the world economy would collapse into utter ruin. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: So? You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day.
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| | | | | | noone1
join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| Re: So? said by pnh102 :You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day. Actualy, there were several county's militaries that did help out, just thier numbers were very small but usualy highly train specialists. Most militaries, as a whole, are not as professional as the US nor do they have the heavy lift capablities nor the dollar resources. | |
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join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
| said by pnh102 : You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. If you did not see them it is because you were only watching US TV and only reading US newspapers. Duh. | |
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JTRockville
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Rockville, MD
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| said by pnh102 :You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day. We weren't the only country to contributed people, equipment, and money.
Even with our recently updated total of $650 (military+dollars), we were third. If we compare our per capita contribution to that of other countries, I doubt we'd come out that high. I'm not trying to diminish our contribution, but we weren't the most generous.
I certainly wouldn't advocate that other countries "cut us off", but like aSic , it wouldn't surprise me. | |
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join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| Re: So? said by JTRockville :Even with our recently updated total of $650 (military+dollars), we were third. If we compare our per capita contribution to that of other countries, I doubt we'd come out that high. I'm not trying to diminish our contribution, but we weren't the most generous. How is it your are not diminishing our contributions? The whole per capita misinformation typical of the wealth redistributionists is completely about trying to -minimize- what our government and people have given in an attempt to say "They gave more then you."
You said prior...
said by JTRockville : ... Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh? My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US. Again, you are trying to diminish our contributions by saying "the rest of the world would get along fine without the US." The $550 to $650 mill from the US gov and people does -not- include the millitary assistance of over 12,000 personnel, 21 ships, and multitude of cago planes and helicopters. Also, 20% or so of the cost the UN is facing with the effort is paid for by our country.
Also, lets add some perspective here. Simple fact, more dollars flow out of the US for outside aid, education, housing, food, etc to outside countries (beyond disaster help) then the top 10 nations combine. | |
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join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
1 edit | Re: So? said by JTRockville : Other countries did give more than us! So if we'd given nothing, the rest of the would would have compensated. Sure, we gave a lot. But we need to keep our generosity in perspective. Just a hunch, but I don't think the rest of the world believes they're as indebted to us, as we'd like to think. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world "cut us off". 1. In the first critical two weeks, it was the US military that shouldered the burden. Let me get this through to you, no other country in the world has the capacity to do what we did in the first two weeks. It required a sinlge, unified force that was already cohesive, not a small force from multiple countries with different training, languages, tactics, command chains, radio frequences, etc. There is/are no country(ies) that could have compensated.
2. I never said we were the most generous for this one event, I said we are, by the far, most generous overall.
3. The rest of the world has cut us off, they are either indifferent or like leaches to us.
"Nations do not have friends, they have interests." DeGaulle
There is nothing wrong with point three. You can please some of the people, some of the time, but you cant please all of the people, all of the time. | |
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Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
| Seems to me you spoke too soon. The US is going to double their contributions up to around $650 million in aid.
»www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/0···dex.html
That plus the military contributions put any countries efforts to shame. | |
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join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
1 edit | Re: So? As far as I understand, the $650 million does include the military contributions. And probably some will be expended through contracts to the usual defense contractors.
Back to the main topic, historically freedom has been promoted by promoting the channels of free speech, not by shutting them down. This looks like a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | |
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Re: So? I have zero tolerance for terrorists and those who help them. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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| said by navalpatel :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases.
Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff.
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
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join:2004-04-13
Canada
| Re: So? said by Nerdtalker : said by navalpatel :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases. Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff. because it's harder to get a large group of people pissed off if they can't see what is the catalyst. | |
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Vvian Kalyss
join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
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| Re: So? No, because the owners of such tools really couldn't give a fuck. Sure, sympathy for what's going on. But it doesn't really affect them, aside from insults hurled during CS frag sessions. Think Joe Pirate gives a shit about politics? No freakin' way. Keep the data coming, and keep offline issues out of my sight.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
1 edit | I wonder how useful "our internet" would be if it wasn't for a certain Finnish programmer? Or how useful it would be if other worldwide contributors were denied access to "our internet"?
And I thought China had a closed mind about things.
Now, if the country a business mainly operates in is told by that government to do something, that is one thing...but this has nothing to do with who the "Internet" supposedly belongs to.
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
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join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
1 edit | Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. If we are truly wanting to help others have freedom. Shouldn't we do our best not restrict the voices of those who are trying to express their right to free expression. I agree their can be a fine line between free expression and terrorism at times. Having to judge where that line is crossed can be hard. But if America is truly free. Why should we be blocked from reading the thoughts of other citizens of the world? And why should they be silenced? This seems to be similar to what China does to it's population. I thought we as a nation were supposed to be against this type of thing. You can't get foreign email using Verizon. Your not going to be able to view some nations websites - even though they may not be controversial or support terrorism in any way. Has 1984 started to slip in a decade or two late?
"OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water"
So your saying people that are being persecuted should have no voice? Those who are living in conditions that the world should know about. The world should not be allowed to learn of this? We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content? Why should we have to take steps such as proxies etc. Just to read others views. We shouldn't have to. This approach in the end will not make the world a safer place.
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
2 edits | Re: So? said by IGGY :Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. In this particular instance, I'll have to admit, I am very ambivalent. From the business and pragmatic point of view, I say yes. Block them off, and frankly THEY ARE NOT SUFFERING!!! they just don't have access to certain sites. Any [wo]man with half a purpose in life will be able to circumvent that, and if they can't well tough cookies because for right now for our national security we can have people sending terrorist memos to each other [any ideas on how O'sama kept in touch with his kamikaze pilots?] So I am for cutting it...but obviously not permanently, we would need to find a solution fast. However, babies aren't gonna die from it so let's not go elevating the situation to levels that simply don't warrant it. What next the PANDEMIC issue of their kids receiving last years gameboy?
We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content? America's been censoring media since DAY 1, personally I don't agree with it - when people die they leave dead bodies...and btw women have breasts- However, the US govt's alleged involvement in this situation would not be for censorship reason's it is a matter of supposed safety.
What I am wary of is what type of precedent does this establish, and if such practices were applied externally, will they gradually move inward? The repercussions of shutting down certain domestic sites for being deemed too inflammatory or threatening would be alarming | |
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA | Hmmm Edison made light bulbs ... lets prevent people from using them. | |
| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| the ISP had a hosting contract with this website, by closing the site that didnt violate their TOS they are in breach of contract. the US government cant end private contracts far as im concerned in the ISP should have told the feds to go F themselves and come back with a court order.
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