Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to pnh102
Re: So?
said by pnh102  : said by Thaler :Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit.  It also has the teensy-weensy little problem of being completely and totally ineffective at stopping terrorists and protecting the USA. I have yet to see the proof in the pudding on that one. Blowing the s*** outta them first-hand (target and civilian alike, what's the diff?) seems to be just as effective as negotiations.
With communications, you'd have relative peace with the occasional nutjob slipping in to mess things up, and causing bad times. With this current regime, we're just slowly and steadily feeding our armed forces into the meat grinder for the appearance of relative peace now. Even with the troops sacrificing themselves in the wrong place, it doesn't really bring me any security here at home. What's to stop another nutmeg from pulling off another stunt with our crippled non-communications of "intelligence" departments?
Our trousers have been down around our ankles ever since 9/11, and nobody seems intent on picking them up. |
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Sean
join:2004-01-23
Ottawa
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said by ropeguru :People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense. You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.. we just couldn't use it.
Besides, just cause the telephone was created by a Canadian (yes, I think Canada deserves the pride for Bell's telephone), doesn't mean we own the telephony technology. |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
| said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? |
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Vvian Kalyss
join:2003-10-14
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No, because the owners of such tools really couldn't give a fuck. Sure, sympathy for what's going on. But it doesn't really affect them, aside from insults hurled during CS frag sessions. Think Joe Pirate gives a shit about politics? No freakin' way. Keep the data coming, and keep offline issues out of my sight.
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
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said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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said by IGGY :Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. If we are truly wanting to help others have freedom. we have a winner! |
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JTRockville
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join:2002-01-28
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said by pnh102 : said by aSic :it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/ Let them try, we'll see how well "the rest of the world" responds to the next major natural disaster. "The rest of the world" responded quite generously to the most recent major natural disaster.
Australia: $764 million
Germany: $661 million
Japan: $500 million
Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh?
My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US. |
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noone1
join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| reply to Thaler
said by Thaler : said by AtomicZero : said by Sean :You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there. huh? And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. ROTFL |
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noone1
join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
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said by JTRockville :"The rest of the world" responded quite generously to the most recent major natural disaster. Australia: $764 million Germany: $661 million Japan: $500 million Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh? My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US. And how much did the US military spend in helping move aid and in rescue missions, etc? If you put a price tag on that, it alone would dwarf all of the formentioned contributions; let alone the dollars we gave out in government and private donations and no other country in the world has the ability to react as quickly as we did. Simple fact, more dollars flow out of the US for outside aid, education, housing, food, etc to outside countries (beyond disaster help) then the top 10 nations combine. Yet this might change, the US is turning isoltionistic, and the perceived (probably justifiably) thanklessness and near slander by many is not helping. The rest of the world would not get along just fine if the US closed up and became ultra isolationists. In fact, the world economy would collapse into utter ruin. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day.
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noone1
join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
| said by pnh102 :You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day. Actualy, there were several county's militaries that did help out, just thier numbers were very small but usualy highly train specialists. Most militaries, as a whole, are not as professional as the US nor do they have the heavy lift capablities nor the dollar resources. |
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 : You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. If you did not see them it is because you were only watching US TV and only reading US newspapers. Duh. |
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zoom314
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Yermo, CA
| reply to crazediamond
said by crazediamond :Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one. Pot calling the kettle black?  The iranian imans can go stuff It down a black hole, After all We know of Human Rights and Religious Tolerance, They don't know the meaning of the phrase nor practice, They do know terrorism and aren't to be trusted, As that government would Lie like a Persian rug, and that's what rugs do, They lie flat. As a government iran is a failure and They know It. Sure We did back the Shah, But backing someone doesn't mean We approved of what the person did that was wrong(Mostly ignorant about any torture, possibly), Khomeini was wrong about the West as the Western world wasn't His enemy or even evil, Just different and as such does not deserve to be hated. But from what I've seen on TV and read online This seems to be the attitude of part of the Muslim world, That intolerance/lies is the way to spread Islam, Usually by force, As that was how northern Africa was converted to Islam, By Jihad as in Convert or Die. The radicals in Islam would vaporize whole cities in the West or the Far East If They had Nuclear weapons and Osama Bin Laden I think has said as much. Do I hate Muslims? No. Am I a Muslim? No. Do I think Islam needs to grow up and stop being a being a brat? Yes. Is Osama Bin Laden a Freedom Fighter? No. He's a mass murderer, Yet in the Muslim world He's a celebrity/hero now as that is how They see Him as and They think New York, Washington DC & PA was a Jewish conspiracy. |
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
| reply to JTRockville
Seems to me you spoke too soon. The US is going to double their contributions up to around $650 million in aid.
»www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/0···dex.html
That plus the military contributions put any countries efforts to shame. |
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
1 edit | As far as I understand, the $650 million does include the military contributions. And probably some will be expended through contracts to the usual defense contractors.
Back to the main topic, historically freedom has been promoted by promoting the channels of free speech, not by shutting them down. This looks like a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. |
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA | reply to navalpatel
Hmmm Edison made light bulbs ... lets prevent people from using them. |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
|  reply to Thaler
said by Thaler : And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. I thought it was Bob Dole?  |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | That would be the 9th day, when it was discovered that we needed little blue pills to properly enjoy our new-found internet glories. ^_^ |
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idledsl
join:2005-01-24
San Francisco, CA | reply to zoom314
We know human rights and religious tolerance???
Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American.
A group totally being denied religious freedom. |
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lyls
@tele.dk | reply to crazediamond
guantanamo.... that sums it up 8) |
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