dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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| reply to chris
Re: Well good.
said by chris  :What about phone service from the cable companies? I have to believe that is pretty reliable (although I could be wrong). You could port your number - goodbye landline... errrmmm thats VOIP. Nothing can be a replacement for the landline, nothing. Remember, your landline doesn't rely on electricity or signal strength.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | Uhh, I have Comcast Digital Phone Service, it is NOT VoIP!
I've had it for 10? 12? years now...
»www.comcast.com/Support/Corp411/···9_0.html
*NOT* VoIP.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
1 edit | reply to dslwanter
"errrmmm", that's not VoIP. It's actually runs over a different signal path than HSI service. Kinda like getting phone/DSL service over a RT.
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entropy1
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join:2002-09-25 | reply to dadkins
Haha! That's awesome.  |
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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| reply to dslwanter
said by dslwanter :Remember, your landline doesn't rely on electricity... What you actually mean is that it does not rely on utility power...the landline phone uses electricity from batteries located at the Central Office (CO).
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Automobili
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To say "nothing" can replace the landline is a little silly. No one knows what will be out there years from now.
And from a practical standpoint today, the more people who ditch their phone companies the better. Finally give them some competition and make them respond to the consumer. Those are the same bastards who had people renting their phones, remember. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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·AT&T Midwest
| When it comes down to it, your landline will be the best and you all know it. Plain and simple, oh and by the way, most CO's have generators.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to dslwanter
quote:
Remember, your landline doesn't rely on electricity or signal strength.
Of course your landline relies on power. If the CO and any points in between your home and the CO (for example, a DLC or RT) don't have power, you don't get phone service. If the signal strength is too weak either you won't be able to hear, or you won't be heard.
The cable systems that offer digital phone may be powered by DC voltage on the cable line, much like your phone is powered from voltage on the phone line. Or the box will have a battery backup of its own. The cable company can run their stuff from a battery back up, just as the telco can.
Now, I won't argue that the telco's systems are more reliable. Two way cable systems are all relatively new and recently deployed systems. There's still bugs to work out and they're still refining the art of detecting and pro-actively repairing problems in these systems. There's a lot more stuff that can fail between the cable plant and a customer's home, vs. the plain old telephone system. I would still feel a lot more comfortable with Comcast's "digital telephone services", vs. a VOIP system.
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to dslwanter
My CDP service blows anything SBC offers out of the water!
*NO*(as in Nada, Zero, Ziltch) phone service from a telco here. All coax! 
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the dozer
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Douglasville, GA |  reply to dslwanter
your partially correct...dslwanter.....landline does require electricity.....generally rt's and co have backup...in some instances batteries don't always work.... or for that long! |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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1 edit | reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :My CDP service blows anything SBC offers out of the water! *NO*(as in Nada, Zero, Ziltch) phone service from a telco here. All coax! It's people like you that make me laugh. I'm not saying anything against these services Im saying keep your landline and the cheapest God forbid there's an emergancy and you have no power or no cell phone signal.
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
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join:2003-11-26
| reply to dslwanter
said by dslwanter : said by chris :What about phone service from the cable companies? I have to believe that is pretty reliable (although I could be wrong). You could port your number - goodbye landline... errrmmm thats VOIP. Nothing can be a replacement for the landline, nothing. Remember, your landline doesn't rely on electricity or signal strength. My cable landline doesn't rely on electricity since it's protected from power outage with UPS in poles and my ISP is giving away MTA with batteries up for 7 hours.
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to dslwanter
People like *YOU* make me laugh! Do you even know what Comcast Digital Phone service is?
Power can go out(has once for 18 hours) CDP(Comcast Digital Phone) was still working!
CDP is *NOT* VoIP!
CDP is everything that a standard landline is, except it's digital and uses the cable(coax) that I get my TV and HSI from!
911 *DOES* see my address if I call them/it!
My CDP has *NEVER* been down!(can't say the same about SBC, that's why we switched to CDP!)
Here: »www.comcast.com/Support/Corp411/···9_0.html
Do some reasearch before you post!
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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| reply to dslwanter
Your landline has electricity. Go put your tongue on end of a bare phone wire with other end plugged into a jack and tell me what you feel..that tingling sensation is not in your pants you feel  |
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
·Comcast
| reply to dadkins
Around here Comcast uses a Western Electric 5ESS digital switch for handling calls. They have a battery backup that lasts 8 to 10 hours according to their website. I'm not sure where the battery is though. Is it on the homeowner's property or in the CO itself? Does anybody know?
»www.telcodata.us/switchinfo.html···esults=1 |
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zentec
join:2002-01-05
Monroe, MI
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dslwanter
That's horse puckey. During the big blackout in August, my landline went down because the local CO's battery went down. Then when the power came back online, the phone was still down because the charging systems blew and it tossed the main breaker for the building.
Please, don't tell me how reliable copper is. In your neck of the woods, okay. But where I live, it's not. |
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xyar
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join:2001-06-21
Portland, OR
| reply to dslwanter
Technically, of course the landline relies on electricity for service, just not electricity on *your* end, that's provided by the CO or switch, who has all the backup power on their end. But I'm sure we all know what you mean |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
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join:2003-11-26
| reply to Jim Gurd
said by Jim Gurd :Around here Comcast uses a Western Electric 5ESS digital switch for handling calls. They have a battery backup that lasts 8 to 10 hours according to their website. I'm not sure where the battery is though. Is it on the homeowner's property or in the CO itself? Does anybody know? » www.telcodata.us/switchinfo.html···esults=1 Humm...a 5ESS Lucent is switch (also used by CLEC and ILEC) in the CO itself, on the ISP end. It's usually protected from power outage using huge generators that can run without interruption if they are supplied in fuel. Here's a picture:
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ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | reply to dslwanter
My ladline doesn't rely on electricity? Really. Interesting.
Or do you mean electricity at my premisis? Maybe thats what you meant.
I've had landline outages at my home due to extended power outages in my neighborhood. |
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cptmiles
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join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN
| reply to Corvus
What a pretty picture. I have a CO that looks just like it. As far as power goes, Central Offices that are categorized by the FCC as Class 4/5 have several powering and environmental codes to conform to. Within the CO environment controls have very specific ranges. They are also sensitive enough that in most COs cell phones are not permitted. They are powered by batteries 100% of the time to control power fluctuations. These batteries are huge and are constantly kept charged by traditional power but are backed up by at least 1 generator. In our case we have a diesel generator and a natural gas generator backup. The 8 to 10 hours that is being referred to is the battery backup units in the field. In order to take the central office funcionality closer to the customer (reduce loop lengths) the "Node" technology was developed. These nodes traditionally are powered via traditional power and backed up by a battery pack. Most solid telephone companies that use this technology have multiple mobil generators and a disaster plan to keep the batteries in these nodes charged in case of a long power outage. |
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