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Re: Why was it there?
said by MarkH  : The labels in their ultimate wisdom though have decided that the music you want to buy will no longer be available to buy, basically they have deleted the album from their catalogue, if you can't find a copy in a second hand music store, do you a)download illegally, or b)go without in future? The advent of stores like Borders Books and Music have made this situation almost non-existent. I once special ordered a 15+ year old recording of a Trinidad & Tobago steel band competition. Another time I special ordered a recording out of Japan through a distributor in Singapore of a Tokyo orchestra's debut recording of a particular piece...talk about obscure!
These works can often be special ordered through distributors who specialize in obtaining works from the copyright holders themselves. What's more is you also now have a direct line to the content publisher to obtain more works from the hard-to-find artist, because these obscure records ALWAYS include catalogs and order forms.
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1 edit | Indeed, the situation is almost non existent, but when you do run up against the few pieces you want, and the dealers/suppliers can't find, what then?
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Winerin
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| You're right. If my rare collectable car is stolen and I can't find one to buy, I should just go out and steal one.
Funny, I download music, games, and videos. I'm not dumb. I know it's not right. I don't even try to justify it. It's just the internet make obtaining what we want much more easily and with the sense of being anonymous. |
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| said by Winerin :You're right. If my rare collectable car is stolen and I can't find one to buy, I should just go out and steal one. Funny, I download music, games, and videos. I'm not dumb. I know it's not right. I don't even try to justify it. It's just the internet make obtaining what we want much more easily and with the sense of being anonymous. Are you deliberately acting dumb, or do you not see a difference between a rare/valuable physical object and a collection of 0's and 1's that need no physical form, other than an easily replicated piece of plastic?
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Woodland Hills, CA | Your anger at trying to justify stealing is sad. |
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MarkH
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| I'm not trying to justify stealing, I'm explaining the circumstances that I feel breach of copyright is justified. A huge difference between taking something physical that has material worth as opposed to obtaining a collection of 0's and 1's with no actual physical presence other than the storage medium I transfer those said 0's and 1's to. If I wanted to be truly technical, I could also claim that since I pay a levy on the blank media I buy that is passed to a conglomerate of copyright owners, I haven't even breached the copyright per se, due to the fact that I have paid a fee to use the media in the fashion it was intended to be used.
The fact that you seem to enjoy trolling is the only thing that strikes me as sad in this situation.
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yock
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| said by MarkH :I'm not trying to justify stealing, I'm explaining the circumstances that I feel breach of copyright is justified. A huge difference between taking something physical that has material worth as opposed to obtaining a collection of 0's and 1's with no actual physical presence other than the storage medium I transfer those said 0's and 1's to. How in the hell is it any different? What difference does it make whether you steal a CD from the store, or burn the content onto your own CD? The fact remains that you're paying for what is on the CD, and less the CD itself. This justification bullshit-argument is EXACTLY why the industry is cracking down so hard. People have this notion that they're justified in IP theft because they wouldn't have bought the CD anyway. You have ZERO rights to obtain someone Else's hard work without paying for it, unless they specifically provide that work to you for free. The court's lack of understanding of digital media is no excuse for the moral and ethical travesty you're committing by not compensating your favorite artists for their hard work.
That makes me sick.
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| said by yock : said by MarkH :I'm not trying to justify stealing, I'm explaining the circumstances that I feel breach of copyright is justified. A huge difference between taking something physical that has material worth as opposed to obtaining a collection of 0's and 1's with no actual physical presence other than the storage medium I transfer those said 0's and 1's to. How in the hell is it any different? What difference does it make whether you steal a CD from the store, or burn the content onto your own CD? The fact remains that you're paying for what is on the CD, and less the CD itself. This justification bullshit-argument is EXACTLY why the industry is cracking down so hard. People have this notion that they're justified in IP theft because they wouldn't have bought the CD anyway. You have ZERO rights to obtain someone Else's hard work without paying for it, unless they specifically provide that work to you for free. The court's lack of understanding of digital media is no excuse for the moral and ethical travesty you're committing by not compensating your favorite artists for their hard work. That makes me sick. So while you're busy being sick, can you please work out for me how else I should go about obtaining a copy of a piece of work thas x number of suppliers have said they can't get for me anymore?
And just to work it out for you, if I stole a cd from a store, I'd be depriving somebody of a physical object that cost money to manufacture etc., and commiting the act of theft.
Also, can you say how I'm depriving the artist of their income if I can't buy the product anyhow?
So before you call it bullshit, maybe you should get a grip and figure out the facts.
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