Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Uhhhh?
The BBR synopsis is a little misleading. If you read the article you will see the real goal is minute my minute pricing. Eventually the price of electricity will be higher in the middle of a hot summer day than in the middle of the night. Encouraging people to operate their discretionary appliances like dish washers and washing machines during off peak hours is one way to reduce the overall peak power plant capacity requirements. |
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11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| So it's not for the customers as much as for the company? If I understand you correctly, they wish to use this technology to do two things: All but eliminate meter readers and charge more for peak usage vs. non-peak usage. Is that the gist of it?
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA | You got it! |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
| Yes and they will be able to shut down your air conditioner,
and any thing else they think is using to much power at your house, or barring this they will get laws passed so they can do the same thing except fine you for their illegal use.
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by Transmaster  :Yes and they will be able to shut down your air conditioner, And anything else they think is using to much power at your house[snip] Now how would one do that? Last I looked AC units don't have remote capabilities through the power line. Show Me one unit that does this or fold.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Oh this is one of the things the power companies, Microsoft and embedded CPU's manufacturers are pushing for the so-call Internet capable home appliance. To the consumer they are selling the Internet angle, the power companies are looking at the control angle.
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11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| Easy solution to your tinfoil suggestion: Plug networked appliances into your own firewalled LAN. I'd like to see the power company try and hack someone's router.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
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»www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Climat···m/TXB16/
Of course, I don't expect them to be trying to control someone's AC unit over X10. 
For what they're trying to do, I'm sure they could just install a relay that listens their signals that controls access to the the 220 circuit that powers the AC. If they don't want it on, it won't get any juice. But man, if they try anything like that for anything other than a dire emergency, I'm going to be on the phone screaming at them.
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zoom314
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
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said by Transmaster :Oh this is one of the things the power companies, Microsoft and embedded CPU manufacturers are pushing for the so-call Internet capable home appliance. To the consumer they are selling the Internet angle, the power companies are looking at the control angle. Well that may be so, But the ability to turn off an appliance remotely has as about as much chance of becoming real as someone filling up the Grand Canyon on Mars with Liquid water anytime soon. If It were done, People would bypass It somehow. Me I'm not worried, As It would be a paranoid thought to Me. Think what You like, If You so feel like It.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
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Carrier is in the final stages of marketing an Internet enabled thermostat the chip set is being designed and build by Emware. Samsung has an Internet connected frig' and there is even a microwave that is connected.
All it will take is coding and some extra parts and any such device will be remote controllable.
»www.comfortchoice.carrier.com/de···SSION=NO
»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···4,00.asp
Having said all of this. There is no way in hell I would let any such thing in my house!
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11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| You might consider changing your avatar. 
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
2 edits | Na old fat freddie is an old school stoner, his brain is already fried on dope. RF would have no impact.:D |
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
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Re: HHS?
said by zoom314 : But the ability to turn off an appliance remotely has as about as much chance of becoming real as someone filling up the Grand Canyon on Mars with Liquid water anytime soon. That capability has been implemented on a voluntary basis in exchange for lower rates for decades. They install a small radio-controlled relay on your air conditioner. Some folks opt for "interruptible rates" which allow the power company to shut you down entirely for a couple of hours. This isn't as exotic as you may think.
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FLECOM
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join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL | correct, we have a small box on our air conditioner for just this purpose... although in the 12+ years its been there they have never turned it off
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