Kiwi
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| reply to dadkins
Re: ASW Vendors in La-La Land
said by dadkins  :Nope, Ad-Aware gets used mainly for kicks now...trust or reliance are out the window. ...and yes, I had to shut alot of things off just to download this BS.  No worries, I always just reimage the drive back to my normal paranoid state.  Seems like the status for most, but It got me wondering what else comes close to the job Adaware started; I'm not leaping into 'Giant' and I don't care to explain. But, It does seem Adaware has left a small hole -Even though Spybot can pick up a mess, not much out there that seems to pick up where Adaware left off.
Also seems like (After the fact) they {Adaware} is attempting to clean their act up, course for many a wee bit to late on the trust issue. Amazing what some timely communicative intervention could have done, you think; right along with a business model!
No real contenders to take their place...HUummmm.
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Suchaknight
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Houbytown | reply to eburger68
Unfortunately, when I run Adaware now and it doesn't find any problems, I don't have the same satisfied feeling that I used to enjoy a few months ago.:(
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fatdcuk
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|  reply to eburger68
the crazy,crazy thing about all of this is,that ASW companies are being scared into dropping detections against known crapware vendors yet they still continue to target legitimate software without a 2nd thought in some case's!
reference reading
»www.spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=9748 |
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Hickerx2
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said by Suchaknight :Unfortunately, when I run Adaware now and it doesn't find any problems, I don't have the same satisfied feeling that I used to enjoy a few months ago.:( For good reason too;)
Just move on to something more legitimate. LS has made their choice.
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sm6iley66
@aol.com | reply to Khaine
that's not bullet proof
while that will guide you from most stuff,
there are bugs in various versions of IE... that can still get through |
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It was nothing more than a mistake and was corrected as soon as the research team was made aware of it. You mean made aware by a non-employee?
That's very discouraging.
When items are removed from the database
users should be notified AUTOMATICALLY,
not if some employee remembers to do it.
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Khaine
join:2003-03-03
Australia
| reply to sm6iley66
said by sm6iley66:
that's not bullet proof
while that will guide you from most stuff,
there are bugs in various versions of IE... that can still get through
Proxomitron and the right filter set can solve all  |
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noadawareforme
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Hi Mike,
Id like to let you know that I was directed to this thread from a development forum I participate in when mention was made of selecting appropriate anti-spyware software.
I was quite surprised at what I had heard as up until that point the general opinion of your product and company was very high. However as I started to read the thread criticising the events related to the WhenU issue I have to say that my thingking has changed.
1. The relevance of your company and its product is totally determined by the trust that we show when we rely on your products to defend our machines. That trust has seriously been eroded by this debacle.
2. The transparency of your processes for handling this issue leave very much to be desired.
3. The response of yourself and your company has only enhanced my suspicion. A failure to acknoledge a very serious failure as being just that indicates to me that your company will not immediately address such issues in the future. The number of differing explanations and statements makes me think that your company was in spin-control mode and really had no intention of changing their policy if they could avoid doing so.
4. Nobody at your firm has fallen on their sword over this incident. At the very least I would expect the resignation of some of your senior executive staff. Either they were incompetent in allowing this to happen or they were complicit in some way and should be removed. Regardless the response from your firm has NOT convinced me that this was a one off event that wont occur again. On the contrary it makes me think that the firm will do exactly the same thing as and when they feel they should like.
5. Despite your denials the impression is very strong that WhenU was removed because of a executive level decision that was either motivated by corruption or by fear of lawsuit. The latter is as bad as the former as the law is very clear: companies providing black-lists and software that use blacklists are protected from lawsuits by the companies whose software is blacklisted as long as the black listing company doesnt have public carrier obligations. Since your software performs a function purely at the request of your clients these companies have no redress, and should fear of a potentially expensive lawsuit be an issue I encourage you to consider what the market response would be if Lavasoft public faught WhenU over this issue.
Your company needs to ponder these issues long and hard. I suspect that this incident will entirely change your corporate culture or you will go out of business. Suffice it say you have lost at least one paying customer. Me. |
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BKM
@69.84.x.x
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Hi,
Here is my contribution to this thread:
1) Lavasoft Official Press Release on 2/16/05 regarding WhenU: »www.lavasoft.com/news/press/ (do a "Find..." on "WhenU") [note, this still isn't in any way apologetic. I apologize if this link has already been posted, but after sifting through 5-6 pages of posts after 2/16/05, I couldn't find it.]
2) Has anyone noticed Lavasoft's support forums (»www.lavasoftsupport.com) and searchable TAC DB (»www.lavasoftnews.com/ms/tac_main.htm) have been "taken offline for maintenance"? It's been like this since 3/26/05 ~ 3/27/05 GMT -5 3:26PM [It's forseeable that some upper-level manager reacted by ordering a complete overhaul of both systems, which for the time being is not a good thing]
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Corrine
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| Hi, Brian. The system maintenance has nothing to do with any "upper-level manager reaction", as upper-level management doesn't manage the forums. Rather, I understand it is a project that IAMSKINZ has had planned for some time and undertook during a Holiday time when people would be spending time with their families. (Speaking of which, my family is due any minute.) Regards.
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Kiwi
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USA | reply to eburger68
Huh! |
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cnsorship is a crime
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fatdcuk
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quote:
The system maintenance has nothing to do with any "upper-level manager reaction", as upper-level management doesn't manage the forums. Rather, I understand it is a project that IAMSKINZ has had planned for some time
What has happened to the "suggestion and bug reporting" part of the LS forum's ?
It seems to have dissapeared for good and some home truth's have been swept under the carpet.Copy and paste are wonderful tools for preserving the facts!
quote:
Periodically, LS feels it necessary to restructure their support forums. Among other things, it allows them to clean up all those pesky threads that they see as a bother and unworthy of their exalted attention or perhaps throw a bad light on certain subjects. (book burning)
Is this the reason for its removal from use by your customer's ? |
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Corrine
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| Forum changes are continuing. As I understand it, these changes are all tied in with plans established months ago -- plans which include a help center for Plus and Pro customers and a new Research Portal that has been in the works.
Specifically regarding the Suggestions & Bug Reports Forum, the intent of that forum is not to be a complaint forum, but rather as it is labeled: "For offering and/or discussing suggestions or reporting bugs for the Lavasoft product family." Build 1.06 is moving along, thus I would think that at this point, further suggestions for the software are not being considered by Development. Before SE was released, the Suggestions forum was removed then too. Then too, as I recall, the description of the new Research Portal was that it will allow for feedback of the nature you appear to be referring to.
I don't know how it will all be in final form because I don't have access to that information. I guess we'll all have to wait and see.
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MarkAW
Barry White or lil bratt
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Canada
1 edit | reply to eburger68
Disregard old news. |
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B
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| reply to Corrine
Hey Corrine, just a hint. This thread's been quietly passing into the shadows, revived now and then mostly by anonymous posters.
In other words, leave it alone and it will probably go away. And that will probably make Lavasoft happier.
Thanks for your forthright (and persevering) efforts.
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Corrine
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join:2004-08-27 | You have a point B. The thread has long since passed anywhere near the original topic. Perhaps the Forum Moderator should take control.
Regards
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B
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Nah, I would NOT want to see it locked either.
At some point I'd like to see a final verdict on the WhenU situation, if nothing else.
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Bink63
Tweet THIS
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| reply to Corrine
said by Corrine :You have a point B. The thread has long since passed anywhere near the original topic. Perhaps the Forum Moderator should take control. Regards 
The thread seems to be doing just fine, as is.
Thanks for the updates!
Thanks for the reminder as to why I don't post in the LS forums!!!
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Corrine
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| reply to B
Its ok by me to leave the thread going. I'll provide what ever input that I can if it helps.
@B -- Final verdict? I thought all that had been explained someplace or another here by Mike.
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B
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join:2000-10-28
| If so I might have missed it. Believe it or not this little issue isn't very high on my list of priorities.
The last I heard a separate uninstaller was still required, which I personally felt was rather stupid and counterproductive. If it's been added back to the regular detections OR if it's been deemed non-detectable permanently, then I missed the news.
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