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zipjay

join:2003-03-11
South Williamson, KY

[CATV] cable theft or not?

i just moved into an apartment and our neighbors right below us like us.. and gave me permission to run a cable town the balcony to connect into their tv cable so we get cable im using a cable splitter but this is an old building so theres tons of cables running down the building for power and phone and whatnot.. so its not like its one tv cable thats real noticable.. my questions is.. is this cable THEFT sense im not stealing it i asked the owner and they agreed to it.. :P but if it is would i be caught (keep im mind i live in the ghedo in a very small town of barely 2000 people.. and if i did get caught what might happen (they have charter cable) or would the cable dudes even notice with all the cables going all over the place? i mean theres spliitters running everywhere lol


volntn
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join:2002-01-05
Cleveland, TN
If you have cable service in another Apartment,and a bill isn't coming to your address,Than yes they will consider that theft. They could do anything from cutting the wire,sending you a bill or summons you to court.

Ender_W
Does Microsoft Mean Small And Squishy?

join:2002-09-14
Saint Louis, MO
reply to zipjay
If you are not paying for service in your residence or have service provided to you from you landlord or his agency it is cable theft. End users are not allowed to sub divide their services to multiple users.
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x_zao_x

join:2004-06-27
New Martinsville, WV
reply to zipjay
more than likely, charter will offer you some sort of deal (if you get caught) to sign up for service, but if you don't and get caught again, they could take you to court...

and btw, why would you ask a question like this here?? you could of kept to yourself and no one would have known....
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jeff35080

join:2002-10-18
Helena, AL
reply to zipjay
What is a "ghedo"?


neofate
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join:2003-11-11
Birmingham, AL
I'm sure he means, "Ghetto" .. Basically it means he lives in a low class area.

To the OP,.. Yes of course it is Theft,.. Did you have to ask? I think the question you're really trying to get answered is the likely hood of you getting caught. Honestly I don't think you are very prone to getting "caught" for this,.. and as someone else mentioned you would probably just have connection cut, and/or an option to subscribe to Charter (IE: pay a bill), or otherwise be taken to court on charges, or I suppose stop what you are doing.

While it may not seem like a big deal, the potential IS there to incur criminal charges for something as petty as cable theft.

The decision is yours to make,.. You know what is right.


nozero
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InnerSanctum
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said by neofate:

The decision is yours to make,.. You know what is right.
If people would only act on that knowledge and accept the responsibility for their decision rather than to try to rationalize why it's not wrong...
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JossMan3

join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA
This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them.

TMTBoomer

join:2004-06-15

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said by JossMan3:


This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them.
Are you out of your mind!. He is getting a service that he is not paying the provider for and knowingly doing so. This is called theft of service and it is not taken very lightly.

JossMan3

join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA
Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line.


DaSneaky1D
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For the sake of me being bored right now...

It's theft. Cable bills to the address, not the number of people watching it. If your house has 55 people living in it and all of you chip in $1 a month, then everyone in that house can watch tv billed to that address.

If an apartment complex has 55 tenents and one cable line, split between all residents...but only one tenet's address gets the bill, even if they all chip in a buck 54 people are stealing the service.

Even by your definition of "theft", the person who is splittng the service is "reselling" or "redistributing" the service without the approval of Charter. Charter will NEVER approve of doing such because they make their money from subscribers/address.


nozero
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reply to zipjay
Here is a FAQ on this topic: »Cable & Satellite TV »But I can get cable service for free - why should I not do that? and some good links at the bottom of the page.

Zappa2000

join:2001-12-16
Kalamazoo, MI
reply to zipjay
LOL, I can see it now, a 55 way splitter


Space_Ranger

join:2002-07-15
reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line.


This is just so wrong. If you are not paying the provider directly, it is considered theft. If you rent a room from someone and they charge you for the cable, that is also considered theft since the subscriber does not have the right to resell the service to anyone else. That is listed in the UEA.


Vamp
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MD
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reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:


This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them.
That's not true, when you split to another residence you are duplicating it, when you share connection you are doing just that.. sharing. And besides, cable companies dont really like you sharing your connection with another residence either, however they cant really do anything about it.

And analog sucks, why would you want it? not to mention improper installs are ugly.

stridr69

join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA

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reply to zipjay
Yes, it's THEFT!
Those that steal, cost us legit subscribers more $$$!!!
Hope you get caught!!!


Vamp
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MD
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said by stridr69:

Yes, it's THEFT!
Those that steal, cost us legit subscribers more $$$!!!
Hope you get caught, Moron!!!
dont worry cable theft will be a thing of the past in a few years when they remove analog.


TraumaJunkie
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join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN

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reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable. Tip: Why don't you split the bill with them.
Instead of saying what I would really like I will just say this: Both could end up in court, one for stealing cable and the other for reselling a product they are not authorized to resell.
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budone

join:2002-09-07
Coopersville, MI
reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

This isn't cable theft not less you were to go out on the poles and lines and tamper with the cable tap. Lets just say you are borrowing there cable.
Lets use a different utility.

So lets say your neighbor allows you to run a phone line from the jack downstairs up to your apartment so you can make local calls. Would that be considered 'splitting' and also be legal???

I think we know the answer to that..... It is the same thing, stealing. Heck pull the meter from the electric box and use electricity, youre not tapping ar the pole, so that must be ok to do also.

Sheez....


neofate
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join:2003-11-11
Birmingham, AL
reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

Its only cable theft if you are getting cable straight from the cable tap. They are simply sharing cable lines. Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line.
Heh, I love when people pull these "rules of thumb" out their proverbial ass's to wrongly correct the right.

It looks to me like Mr. JossMan is bending the blatently obvious answer to what eases his own conscious. =)

Anyhow, everyone caught this one and this is a dead horse, but I will give it one last kick...

You justify your premise that it isn't cable theft with an analogy.

"Just like we share bandwidth on a cable line."

You prooved yourself wrong with that statement alone. We share our bandwidth in the same household, apartment, room, etc. We do not share the same bandwidth with our neighbor 500 yards away through a window.

I know you can do this, and this again would be "theft" again heh.

However, on the bandwidth side of things, I could see sharing bandwidth being a little more justified, because thereby sharing your appropriated share of the overall bandwidth you yourself are having a direct portion of your service taken away from you. If you were to share your cable bandwidth with 5 neighbors, and you all were on at the same time,.. Things are gonna slow waaay down,.. Especially if Danny is downloading the latest version of Debbie does Dallas on his favorite Bitorrent site. =)

Anyhow, of course it's still stealing... it's all a matter of what if any virtue's the individual in question possess'.


geekamongus
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join:2004-07-27
Asheville, NC
reply to zipjay
OK, new angle on this for a new hypothetical question:

What if you have cable, call and cancel it, and they don't ever come by to turn it off? Are you expected to unhook it and stop using it? Are you still liable if you don't?

I know that many of you will say you are supposed to unhook it and stop using it.

But what if you are 90 years old and don't understand how to unhook your cable box? Are you expected not to turn on your TV until they do come?
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volntn
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join:2002-01-05
Cleveland, TN
reply to zipjay
If you call and cancel it and they never shut it off,If it is documented you called then the responsibility lies with them and burden of proof is on them.

MrBeetle9

join:2004-02-01
Madison, WI
re: call and cancel.

If you remain active, an audit person will eventually be by. (May be a few months, but it does happen at each house a few times a year).

If you are still active, they will disco you and make note. They will then set up a follow-up appointment. If you are active again, they will call the cops.

I have had to personally call the cops a few time on people, and have charges pressed. (Just a service tech, but when it's not busy we do audits as well). And yes - a time or two this has been simply 2 neighbors (apt AND house) just stringing cable between the two windows/backyards/etc.

And, just a note.. If you want to steal cable, do it creatively. Do not

1) Smash open the box
2) Use radio shack splitters
3) Use a coax cable that says "CONNECT BETWEEN SATELLITE RECEIVER AND YOUR TV"

because you WILL be caught shortly.

JossMan3

join:2005-02-19
Bristol, VA
reply to neofate
HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED.

Newegg
Comcast steals modems

join:2004-11-14
Norcross, GA
reply to zipjay
Why even tell anyone about it? Be happy and keep your mouth shut.


TraumaJunkie
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Knoxville, TN
reply to JossMan3
Hmmmm..wanna lose the caps lock? Thanks


volntn
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Cleveland, TN

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reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED.
Where did that come from???

MrBeetle9

join:2004-02-01
Madison, WI

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reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED.
Umm... Hate to break it to you buddy, but everyone shares bandwith on the internet. Speed caps are used to make it so your neighbor does not steal your bandwith - But everything eventually hits a T1/T3/OC3/9/whatevertheyusenow which has a limit of the amount of traffic it can process.


DaSneaky1D
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reply to JossMan3
said by JossMan3:

HMMMMMMMMMMM.........BUDDY LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, YOU TALK LIKE YOU KNOW HIGH SPEED INTERNET........BUT YOU DONT. YOU SHARE THE SAME BANDWIDTH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS USE, THATS WHY SPEEDS VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. IF SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD WAS DOWNLOADING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MOVIES, THEN YOUR CONNECTION YOU BE SLOWER THAN DIRT. BECAUSE HE IS HOGGING ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THE LINE. YOU TALK LIKE A PERSON THAT HAS DSL. SO DONT GET ME STARTED.
Bandwidth is shared to the CTMS port on the router. That port (currently) allows for 10mbps up and 20mbps down...or something like that.

If your neighbor (who is capped at 3mbps/256kbps) downloads movies all night, it won't affect you one bit. Now, if everyone on the CTMS port is doing that, yes you will see a speed drop.

Most cable systems are designed to prevent this type of slow down. If you're experiencing it, then there needs to a redistrobution of capacity in your area. Additional backbone bandwidth may be needed as well.

sdlup

join:2005-03-23
Ridge Farm, IL
reply to neofate
It is theft plain and simple if you are receiving a service from an adjoining residence and not paying for it then you are stealing it. One of my service areas if you get caught its $250.00 to the town.