audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI | reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: The Dalles?
You are right.... It is the whole package..The network, town and labor force. That is what drives companies to move into rural America. |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | reply to RadioDoc
The Robber Barons of the Gilded Age have spoken. Bravo to progress. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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 ·Comcast
| reply to PDXPLT
tech center and data center are 2 different animals.
If it is a data center that fiber will be 1/2 useless to google since it would be only 1 loop where google requires redundancy. Me thinks local labor and local people working at the company is really what google is shooting for.
Now employees have more calming atmospheres around them then a concrete jungle. Very good for worker moral especially at a company like google.
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to Viper007Bond
said by Viper007Bond  :
Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam.
Dam = cheap, stable, unlimited electricity.
Fields = cheap real estate.
Fiber = high-capacity 'net access.
What else do you need for a data center / server farm? Nothing. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to oliphant
said by oliphant : said by RadioDoc : And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... Yeah, probably would have been better to build the call center in India and leave those people unemployed.  What employees seem to forget is while they think they're underpaid and God's gift to their employer, in reality they're only worth in pay what it costs to replace them. If they get minimum wage it's only because they can be easily replaced by someone else at minimum wage. And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same. First off I do run my own business. Three of them in fact. If employees make me money I hire them. If they don't they're gone. Simple Economics 101. If I can get incentives to locate in an area which gains me a significant short-term windfall I would consider it, especially when there is no downside of leaving the suckers locals high and dry in five years. I am not the local employment office nor do I have any obligation to pay anyone a cent more than I have to.
There are a lot of "incentives" given to lure company Q to location Z and many of them are justified by dangling the carrot of "future tax revenue" in front of desperate local governments. When all those promised $60,000 jobs do not materialize, or they are moved elsewhere the day after whatever term commitment the company signs is over, the town or county is stuck with all of this nice infrastructure nobody wants but the local taxing authority issued tax anticipation bonds to finance and is now up a fast-moving creek without an outboard motor. The same forces which lure a vagabond company to an area just as easily lures them out.
Nobody learned anything from the employment-stealing state, county and local government antics of the late 1980's and early '90s I guess.
I wish all of them success. Too bad they won't get it.
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| reply to oliphant
I'm sorry your business has had such poor luck in hiring employees. Those of us who work for everybody else are just trying to raise families, not get rich. Most people aren't as lucky as you and don't run their own businesses, so their truth isn't your truth.
I don't think any of those things you mentioned, and feel lucky and blessed to have what I have...nor do I belong to any union. Obviously, you've had some bad experiences with employees. Not knowing what your business is, I can't speculate as to why.
Google seems to think otherwise, and is investing in this community. Good for them. |
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audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| reply to Viper007Bond
said by Viper007Bond :Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam. Guess fiber is what really matters.  Yes it is...
The big reason is that Qwest and Verizon told them that it would be years before they are able to offer anything beyond coax or in some cases DS1( DS1 = 24 pots lines or 1.5Mbps) for transport. In effect you don't spent enough money for us to provide you with high bandwidth.
Instead of giving tax breaks to companies Small towns are now saying "build Modern infrastructure and they will come". They have Modern roads, docks, fiber to your door, low construction cost and land values.
The rural coop LECs and local government have banded together to provide a low cost alternative to Qwest and Verizon for transport via Fiber Sonet ring( with DS to OC transport) for cable and small lecs(ISPs).
If you are a corporation looking to set up a shop that needs high bandwidth with low setup cost then Oregon and Washington is a good place. |
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firephoto
KDE
Premium
join:2003-03-18
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to John Galt
said by John Galt : said by RadioDoc :And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... The jobs pay in the range of $60,000, some more, some less. That hardly seems like "nothing". There is also the benefit to the local ecomony, through rents and home purchases, local shopping, etc. Besides, it is a nice rural area...clean, quiet, unhurried. The only thing "fast" will be the fiber. I was going to mention the $60,000 a year thing but you beat me too it.
It's nice to see Oregon has a minimum wage that is socking it to the taxpayers so those poor minimum wage slaves get $60k a year.  I guess I had better float down the river and suck up some of that tax break welfare that evil small community is dishing out.
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oroper
Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01
Beverly, MA
| reply to John Galt
said by John Galt : The only thing "fast" will be the fiber. I can forsee a number of chiropractic offices popping up to cure "Whiplash":D |
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... The jobs pay in the range of $60,000, some more, some less. That hardly seems like "nothing".
There is also the benefit to the local ecomony, through rents and home purchases, local shopping, etc.
Besides, it is a nice rural area...clean, quiet, unhurried. The only thing "fast" will be the fiber.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| reply to oliphant
And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same.
You are correct, this is a unforunate fact.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc : And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... Yeah, probably would have been better to build the call center in India and leave those people unemployed.
What employees seem to forget is while they think they're underpaid and God's gift to their employer, in reality they're only worth in pay what it costs to replace them. If they get minimum wage it's only because they can be easily replaced by someone else at minimum wage. And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same.
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jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13 | reply to oroper
Yep, I would move there in a split second. |
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oroper
Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01
Beverly, MA
| reply to RadioDoc
Interesting your response.
What we need to condiser is, Are those persons to be employed residents there who didn't have anything else to do (unemployed) or are they going to be individuals moving into the community?
Either way, it can be a win, win. Note: I'm not commenting on the pay rate, just the assumbtion that if it's a town that's struggling with unemployment, this may help.
If individuals are moving in to town, that means Motor Vehicle taxes and the like as income for the town and maybe some real estate taxes etc.
Any move that let americans who want to work get the oppertunity to do so is a good thing, as long as they are not raped on the benefits etc. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Viper007Bond
said by Viper007Bond :Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam. And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story...
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Viper007Bond
Premium
join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR
| Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam.
Guess fiber is what really matters.
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