fireflier
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Re: Good Response
Whoops. My mistake. Guess I skimmed it a little too fast.  |
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wolfox
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With a herring? |
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jester121
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Errr... they didn't say "torturous" (meaning related to torture).
They said "tortuous", which means winding, twisting, complex. That doesn't make sense either.
I'm pretty sure they meant "tortious", as in "tort law", meaning injurious, damaging, wrongful.
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fireflier
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From the iDownload's attorney cease and desist letter:
". . .to protect iDownload from your continuing tortuous conduct"
Torturous conduct? Give me a f***ing break. The only people being subjected to torturous conduct are the end users who constantly have to deal with unsolicited crap from these companies.
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Grail Knight
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Well if this darn snow would go away I could tend to my shrubbery! |
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antwanp
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Lol!
-Antwan L. |
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awluck
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Duluth, GA | reply to awluck
Infestware |
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tapeloop
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Heh. So by criticizing your post satirizing people who criticize grammar, I created a sort of recursive irony.
"NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!" 
Man, maybe I should get some work done today... |
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Grail Knight
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The Knights who say "Ni--!".
Of course my ref. to grammar was in jest to those that would pick others apart. Granted a lawyer should have proof read his work.
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awluck
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Rambling.... And probably far afield.
What is required is a new word. A term of art which is specifically designed to identify software which :
(any and/or all) of the following:
a. installs illicitly (either without the user's knowledge or consent, or under false pretenses);
b. relies upon fraud or deceit for distribution;
c. relies upon security holes in existing software for distribution;
d. covertly intercepts or analyzes data or data streams for third party purposes;
e. generates computer activity deleterious to the efficient and effective function of user-desired computer activity;
f. presents data to the user which has not been intentionally requested and is not part of the originally installed operating system;
g. attempts to obscure its true activities through non-technological means (legalese or PR flak or FUD);
h. provides no opportunity for complete un-installation;
i. resists attempts by end-user to circumvent or un-install;
Before the witticisms begin ("Oh , well, you've just described MS Windows", "What software doesn't fall into some of those categories?", etc.), I think the problem can be divided into two parts.
Intention of the end user vs. intention of the _____ware distributor.
Obfuscation for propagation.
A. I expect the device to work a certain, predictable way. When it doesn't, there are two logical reasons.
1. Some thing is not doing what it is supposed to do.
2. Something is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.
If A.1., there is a hardware or software flaw.
If A.2., there is _____ware installed.
What is needed is the application of laws like trespass, breaking and entering, voluntary conversion, misappropriation, theft, vandalism, deception with intent, etc. We could start with some of the big mainstream old-line media outlets that employ means to circumvent anti-pop-up software that is installed by the end-user.
My computer is mine, just like my house. If you come in without my permission or through deception, I want to be able to put you in jail.
What happened to the concept that if I say "I think you are a s***head", it isn't slander, but if I say "You are a child molester" then it is.
What is ____ware is an opinion. The fact the a whole lot of people tend to agree shouldn't change the fact the it is still an opinion. The fact that a whole lot of people act on someone else's well-formed opinion isn't actionable. After all, we aren't calling these people child molesters, are we?
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pc319
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I thought that the word "it's" is another way to say "It is". That is what the apostrophe is for.
I think the word you are thinking of is "its" signifies ownership.
edit: nevermind I see that tapeloop posted that before me |
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tapeloop
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said by Grail Knight  :First error I see is the use of “It's”, there is no ownership in this instance so “It is” would be used. Can't should be "cannot". Silly grammar nitpicking yet it was pointed out for the Vendor's lawyer showing we all make mistakes.  Um...you do know that "it's" is a contraction of "it is" right? So the 2 can be used interchangeably.
»www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/its.html
»www.stormloader.com/garyes/its/#top
»www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/its.html
Use of "can't" is a preference. While grammatically correct, one should avoid the use of contractions in formal correspondence. I don't think internet message boards qualify.
Appropriate that you would choose "it's" to nitpick, considering that you seem to be a Python fan. |
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tapeloop
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Like Emeril would say...
In addition, Symantec, Lavasoft, Computer Associates, Spyware Warrior, Spyware Blaster,
and Doxdesk, to name a few, report that the iSearch toolbar, published by iDownload is spyware
(see links below). This information is publicly available and was obtained in a manner of minutes
using the iDownload “brand” as a search term.
BAM!!!!!
Dear iSearch: if you're going to sue us, you gotta sue ABC too. And Symantec. And Lavasoft. And Computer Associates. And Google. And the list goes on and on...
It's cool that CastleCops were so chill about it though. "Yeah, we know you might not agree with us. The matter is still up for discussion." Class. |
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Grail Knight
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Re: Good Response
First error I see is the use of “It's”, there is no ownership in this instance so “It is” would be used.
Can't should be "cannot".
Silly grammar nitpicking yet it was pointed out for the Vendor's lawyer showing we all make mistakes.
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ROCINANTE 2112
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Comma splicing?
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Grail Knight
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The perfect world of grammar we live in.
Perhaps you should recheck your post again for errors.
I see two without trying. 
It is refreshing to be able to read the legal response to Mr. Hopkins. I hope that in due course, the outcome proves advantageous to the Anti-Spyware Vendors and the users that rely on their information to keep their computers secure.
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W8ASA
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heh heh: What's the matter with manner? heh heh |
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entropy1
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Yes, nice, but the grammar issues did detract from it. It's somewhat disappointing to see that the person defending this issue can't even write well. ("...in a MANNER of minutes..."?)
Yikes. |
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IhatemyISP
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Japan | reply to Dunga Bee
Nice, though it had several grammar issues. |
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Dunga Bee
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| That letter was a nice read. It's always nice to see lawyers find nice ways to tell someone to shove off
Spyware / Adware is so out of control these days, I am glad issues like this are getting the press they are. It only serves to draw attention to this issue. IMO. |
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