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Re: so how many have noticed a huge bt speed drop said by SupremeCheddar:
lol, talk about FUD. Rogers hasn't done jack about the BT protocol. Try downloading something LEGAL like a linux ISO. Okay. Listen up and listen close. I tried this AGAIN and tell me this isn't traffic shaping.
I created my own private tracker using Azureus. It's a little tricky to get right but I got it going again. I also set up the same file on the same machine for download via ftp. I went to the web page (from a remote computer) created by Azureus and downloaded the .torrent file. By the way, this was VERY slow and the file is small. I then started the BT transfer and the speed rarely came off 0KB/s!! The Azureus console shows very little activity and it looks like the peer (my home computer) is just nonresponsive. While this is spinning it's wheels, I logged into the ftp server and downloaded the file at 97.89KB/s!! This is the Extreme upload limit. I then ssh'ed into the machine and started a loopback BT transfer through my router. Guess what? 600KB/s on my LAN.
By the way, I'm getting 10ms ping times between my two hosts.
I'd post links to my ftp and BT server but I don't need Rogers disconnecting me because a million people flood it.
Can you send private messages in this forum?
You can try it too. In Azureus, make sure to autodiscover you IP in the "tracker server", find a file and "share it", "force start" it, and make sure to forward ports 6969 and you current BT port. A handy web page gets created on port 6969. |
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RioZen
join:2004-02-01
North York, ON | reply to cc86
I still get and have allways gotten good 500+ speeds on good Seeded torrents. |
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 GI SuckI Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | reply to magnus33
I got 625+KB/s on the bittorrents I have downloaded last night! |
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| Guys!!! You are missing the point! Only specific nodes/areas are being throttled. It's been happening since November for those unfortunate people. We KNOW many of us continue to torrent at warp speed, thank god.
NO more posts stating you can still torrent at max output/input.
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 Talon88 The One
join:2003-08-13
Toronto | reply to magnus33
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Let me add a prove as the speed of BT is
droped suddently.
»[Express] Rare connection Problem
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GI SuckI Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | reply to pulp46
said by pulp46:Guys!!! You are missing the point! Only specific nodes/areas are being throttled. It's been happening since November for those unfortunate people. We KNOW many of us continue to torrent at warp speed, thank god. NO more posts stating you can still torrent at max output/input. They aren't being throttled, for the love of.....
I already told you that there are times where my BT acts up and get some of the problems mentioned here, but I still can get full bandwidth. Its just node congestion. Now give it up with the traffic shaping garbage.
Someone please call Myth Busters to bust this myth!
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 sbrookPremium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
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| GI ... Sorry mate, but I trust my rumour source. I believed the same way you did for the longest time and I'm sure that there are a great many anomolies to BT traffic that can be explained by other problems, but I am now quite certain they are testing out this equipment. |
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tried explaining that one myself but they don't seem to get the idea.
what company is going to spend the time and money to do this on nodes that are below demand?
some people are lucky and still not being affected yet.
gi some how isn't getting this idea.
given more time its likely that rogers is going to do every where to aviod future problems and after the bugs get worked out. |
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sbrookPremium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
kudos:4 | magnus ... you don't have a lot of credibility so I'd just leave it at that. |
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GI SuckI Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | reply to sbrook
said by sbrook:GI ... Sorry mate, but I trust my rumour source. I believed the same way you did for the longest time and I'm sure that there are a great many anomolies to BT traffic that can be explained by other problems, but I am now quite certain they are testing out this equipment. I would trust your rumour source too if it wasn't for the fact that this BT issue has existed way longer than November. Months longer in fact, if your rumour source is saying that its been implemented since then.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past Rogers to implement traffic shaping on their network. They have done everything else to their network that man can think of. Not to mention that they said they were doing so strictly for the DPS. But to say they are also shaping BT traffic I will beleieve, but wont fully commit since theirs no hard evidence so far.
Lets just say I would be happier of the forum lurkers would get a statement from Rogers in their news articles. In the mean time, I will be scouring th web to find that statement.
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4 edits | said by GI Suck: I would trust your rumour source too if it wasn't for the fact that this BT issue has existed way longer than November. GISuck, the issues before November were *generally* from newbies or people in a bad area to begin with, not having great pings, speeds overall. Bit torrent took a while for newbies to properly set up. Configuring your client and system isn't as simple as Kazaa was (search and click), so yes, some problems were due to improper user set-up by the inexperienced.
The November factor is relevent to people who HAD been torrenting just FINE for 2 years, and then *SUDDENLY* found themselves with a 90% degradation in service with torrents due to NO fault of their own. We're talking our typical net geek user here, who know what they are doing. Bit torrent is awesome, proof of it is the fact that over 30% of net traffic is blamed on torrents now. LOL And if your network is *somewhat* properly managed, you max out at 5Mbps/800 pretty much 100% of the time as long as there are more than a handful of peers/seeds on it. Did I mention how much I LOVE torrents? It's the speed KING, which TED *secretly* turned into an es-car-NO-go, for many...
These *November* people didn't all of a sudden unlearn the intricacies of torrents.... cue GNR.
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| So how do I get Rogers to own up to this and refund me my money for providing me an impaired service without notice? Not looking forward to wading into CSR hell again to get to someone who knows what's going on. |
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4 edits | BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry puzzled, but thanks for the laugh!
Ted didn't refund my money for:
1. Loss of my 3Mbps tier to 1.5 Mbps way back when he secretly implemented that...
2. Capped my newsserver speed to 30 kB's.
3. Capped my simultaneous connections with newsserver to 2.
4. Eventually will get to me (he's already just around the corner in Kanata for my buddies node, d-oh) and Cap my torrent speed by 90%.
5. Capped my BW Usage to 60 GIG.
6. My useless $100 modem when he bans my @ss for doing what he said I could do! "DL what you want, when you want. No Caps."
'nuff said....
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"Rogers needs to buy the CN Tower now and then call it Rogers Tower. This way, TED can shoot laser beams at our houses when we go over 60 Gigs." - MoeB -
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| Hey, we were all in that boat. I'm in a subset that's being targeted now despite paying the same fee. My time is not free. I've wasted my own time and time on the phone with CSRs who when I listen to them basically say, "I dunno, it's the Internet. Please get frustrated with us so you never call back because it costs us money to have to listen to you." |
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GI SuckI Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | reply to pulp46
said by pulp46:said by GI Suck: I would trust your rumour source too if it wasn't for the fact that this BT issue has existed way longer than November. GISuck, the issues before November were *generally* from newbies or people in a bad area to begin with, not having great pings, speeds overall. Bit torrent took a while for newbies to properly set up. Configuring your client and system isn't as simple as Kazaa was (search and click), so yes, some problems were due to improper user set-up by the inexperienced. The November factor is relevent to people who HAD been torrenting just FINE for 2 years, and then *SUDDENLY* found themselves with a 90% degradation in service with torrents due to NO fault of their own. We're talking our typical net geek user here, who know what they are doing. Bit torrent is awesome, proof of it is the fact that over 30% of net traffic is blamed on torrents now. LOL And if your network is *somewhat* properly managed, you max out at 5Mbps/800 pretty much 100% of the time as long as there are more than a handful of peers/seeds on it. Did I mention how much I LOVE torrents? It's the speed KING, which TED *secretly* turned into an es-car-NO-go, for many... These *November* people didn't all of a sudden unlearn the intricacies of torrents.... cue GNR. I'm sorry pulp, but you can just claim that this thread »[ Extreme] not the best with BT lately? that started in august is now the cause of a traffic shaping software thats been implemented on the network. And there was a LOT of complaints on this thread about people just switching from Sympatico to Rogers to find problems.
Its also very said to see ISP whine their way out of solutions because of peer-to-peer. As far as I rmemeber, p2p has been a great big problem to ISPs since kazaa, scour, and napster were on the internet. And that customers using these software take up too much bandwidth than normal demand.
I just wish they would stop whining and see that the real reality of this whole situation is that the bandwidth demand from the latest and greatest p2p applicaiton today, is going to be the bandwidth usage pattern for tomorrow. Heck, if it wasn't for these p2p apps, I wouldn't be surprised that we would still be stuck at 1mbps connections and everyone still in awe that larger and denser countries have 100mbps.
So Rogers, quit yer *****in, and put the money on upgrading the network. Not hampering it (if this whole thing is true.)
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| Lots of people complained. Some had slow uploads while downloading. I had this too and got it fixed by Rogers. More recently, people have got top HTTP speeds but slow BT speeds. I'm in this bunch. I can show packet traces where where my ftp is perfect and my BT has packet drops and this is between the same hosts at the same times.
I'm sure there's congestion out there in different neighbourhoods but I don't believe that's what's happening to me. |
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4 edits | reply to GI Suck
Here lies the rub, my source says traffic shaping started last year, I just don't know how entrenched it was or exactly when it started. I will know Saturday night, as per my earlier post, at a social function where my source will be. Those affected people before November were possibly a result of both, bad segments and shaping, I really don't care. Both reasons are inexcusable.
Doesn't really matter, we have several people now who are aware Ted has secretly implemented that wicked traffic shaping tech. It's out there, we have the links to the products LOL, and it's finally being openly talked about. Heck, Shaw has been caught using it. Who has been more deceptive and underhanded in the ISP business than Rogers? Come on, it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and SMELLS like a duck.... I just hope it doesn't start *quacking* down MY node or just on ME for being so anti-Ted, because those nasty boxes can throttle an INDIVIDUAL user at HIS whim! True dat, by the way... complete and total individual user protocal throttling if need be...wild stuff.
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sbrookPremium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
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| GI ... what you're failing to grasp in saying spend the money and upgrade is exactly the same position we were in a couple years ago when they secretly chopped our speeds to manage bandwidth. They spent gobs of money and we went from 5 to 10GB caps now to 60GB and it still isn't enough.
There's only so much they can do in terms of spending money and keeping a sub $50 per month service. |
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said by pulp46:Here lies the rub, my source says traffic shaping started last year, I just don't know how entrenched it was or exactly when it started. Rogers AUP as of Feb 15, 2005 includes mention of "filtering of Internet transmissions". Don't know if this was there before. Doesn't read like they have to mention it to you either. |
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