NoVA_CoxUser
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Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
4 edits |  [ALL] Digital Phone Update
Up 'til now, Cox's Digital Phone has "existed" in one of two forms depending on the market in which you were located.
Circuit Switched Voice (CSV) in:
•Orange County, CA
•San Diego, CA
•Phoenix, AZ
•Tucson, AZ
•Omaha, NE
•Central CT
•Rhode Island
•Hampton Roads, VA
•Northern VA
•New Orleans, LA
•OK City, OK
•Wichita, KS
VoIP in:
•Roanoke, VA
•Tulsa, OK
•Baton Rouge, LA
•West TX
•Lafayette / SW LA
•All other new roll-out markets
Now, Cox is in the process of hybridizing their headend CSV hardware to enable it to simultaneously support VoIP in previously CSV-only areas.
The plan is that once an area's existing CSV capacity is reached, additional customers will receive VoIP service.
In other words, even if you have a CSV interface (NIU) on the side of your house, your new next-door neighbor might well receive a VoIP cable modem if he signs up for Cox's phone service.
For more info, see Whitepaper: Circuit Switch to VoIP Evolution Plan |
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Rob850
join:2003-04-11
Mary Esther, FL
| I wonder if Fort Walton/Pensacola will ever see telephone. This would help since I can drop your basic cable product (your digital cable does nothing for me + it's overpriced)
If were going to be VOIP will this count against our transfer limit that's set on our accounts?
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Rob850  :If were going to be VOIP will this count against our transfer limit that's set on our accounts? Nope, Unlike Vonage etc, it is a seperate product not relying on your HSI connection. So, You don't have to have HSI to get Voip. |
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NoVA_CoxUser
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·Cox HSI
4 edits | reply to Rob850
said by Rob850 : ... If were going to be VOIP will this count against our transfer limit that's set on our acct? ... You're confusing this with 3rd party VoIP systems (e.g. Vonage, Packet 8, etc.) which do run thru your HSI cable modem.
In Cox's VoIP digital phone setup, it's "VoIP" only to Cox and invisible to the customer. It's completely separate from your HSI account.
Think of the Cox-provided VoIP modem as effectively two cable modems in the same box:
One modem is for your HSI account; you connect your computer or router to it's port and it works just like any other cable modem.
The "2nd" modem is for "Cox Use Only" and carries only your voice traffic. It doesn't even have an ethernet or USB port for the user to plug-in to. It only connects to the analog phone lines in your house ... and of course the coax. |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
1 edit | said by NoVA_CoxUser :The "2nd" modem is for "Cox Use Only" and carries only your voice traffic. It doesn't even have an ethernet or USB port for the user to plug-in to. It only connects to the analog phone lines in your house ... and of course the coax. Just want to say there are Voip modems that Cox is going to use that have the ability to also be a HSI modem. Cox isn't going to implement the Ethernet port to begin with but has that option.
»www.arrisi.com/products_solution···dems.asp
Also markets are going to be switched to Voip before the Ciruit switches reach capacity. It is a ll a cost issue. |
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NoVA_CoxUser
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2 edits | said by Fubar :Also markets are going to be switched to Voip before the Ciruit switches reach capacity. It is all a cost issue. Good points.
And the next logical step somewhere down the road would be to retire the existing CSV system and replace it with VoIP ... once the cost of VoIP gets low enough vs the cost of continued operation the CSV system.
In the end, it's ALL about the Benjamins. |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to NoVA_CoxUser
The only problem I see is CSV is going to have to stay around until a Voip solution can be made for businesses that have more than 4 phone lines.... I don;t see multiple Voip modems as a practical solution especialy with a 24 port NIU available to use... |
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Smokey
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Va Beach
clubs: | Wouldn't CBS just want to run fiber to such a business anyway?
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Smokey :Wouldn't CBS just want to run fiber to such a business anyway? It would have to be a major phone circuit to run fiber to it.
CBS can do 48 phone lines to one business with 2 NIU's over coax, A hell of a lot cheaper than running fiber... |
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Smokey
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clubs: | Would the VoIP solution be able of handling alarm systems? What about providing a line with no dial tone?
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digiblur
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| said by Smokey :Would the VoIP solution be able of handling alarm systems? What about providing a line with no dial tone? I can't see them offering a "dry pair".
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ | reply to NoVA_CoxUser
Yes it can do alarm systems, It can do anything any conventional POTS line can |
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cob_
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Tulsa, OK
| reply to NoVA_CoxUser
I would be interested in reading the differences between, say, Vonage, and Cox's VoIP service. I don't understand why Vonage doesn't support E-911 or alarm systems. Is Cox E-911 and alarm system support limited to CSV areas, or is it working over traditional VoIP too? |
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Smokey
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Va Beach
clubs: | 911 is covered by Cox's VoIP service. The VoIP is just a transport for Cox Digital Telephone, so it is held to the same slandered as a CSV system.
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illek
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Tulsa, OK | reply to NoVA_CoxUser
For the record, Cox has NOT rolled out their phone service in Tulsa yet. They were making promises that it would be on by the first of this year but now they are not promising anything anymore. Wonder what the problem was? |
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cob_
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Tulsa, OK | The tech that came to my house Wed. said that my CMTS was in the process of being upgraded right now actually. 31st/Garnett |
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NoVA_CoxUser
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·Cox HSI
4 edits | reply to cob_
said by cob_ : ... I would be interested in reading the differences between, say, Vonage, and Cox's VoIP service. The biggest difference is that Cox's VoIP is "VoIP" only while it's on Cox's network ... which Cox controls. Once the VoIP call gets to the point where it has to be routed off Cox's own IP network, it's converted back to "regular" POTS and routed via the PSTN. What this means is that Cox has the ability to give their own VoIP packets priority on their network to ensure voice quality. Effectively, their VoIP network can be thought of as a 2nd "private IP" network running in parallel to their "public" HSI network.
Vonage (and other 3rd party VoIP) user's packets on the other hand, travel across the relatively loosely controlled public internet and "take a number" along with all the other packets streaming across the internet ... sometimes with mixed results.
Cox's three public whitepapers on VoIP give a good explanation in more detail. »www.cox.com/about/NewsRoom/reports.asp
I don't know enough about the 911 architecture to answer your question as to why Vonage's 911 is different from that provided by the Telco's and Cox; although I suspect that while they (Vonage) technically could provide the same 911 service, they aren't required to do so and it would undoubtedly add to their operating costs. |
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BillRoland
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Think of Cox as just a CLEC. When you call 911 from your VoIP based Digital Telephone, it will be routed to your PSAP's 911 trunks, complete with location information. No different than using any other CLEC.
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NoVA_CoxUser
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·Cox HSI
4 edits | Bill:
Please re-read my post ...
I know Cox is a CLEC and that they DO provide full E911 functionality ...
... my point was that I think Vonage and other VoIP providers could "technically" provide this same E911 service if they wanted to (at least in areas where they have local phone #s) ... albeit with an increased operating cost ...
... couldn't they? |
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schweb
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Lakewood, OH
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I guess my question is, where is the information on Cox VoIP? How much does it cost, what are its features?
I already use VoIP and would be interested in how Cox compares. If it's like the other cable players VoIP products, it'll be way overpriced and under featured compared to the other VoIP players. I hope that's not the case...
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