ortuno2k
join:2004-06-14
Hialeah, FL
| Dsli Speed upgrade is here?
So I asked my sales rep and he said it would be available next week. 3.0/384 for $10 more a month.
I think the price increase shouldn't be, as Comcast and B$ offers the same or higher speeds for less than $50/month.
I really like Dsli, but hey, 3.0/384 now it's like the standard, isn't?
What's up with that. |
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gojeda
join:2002-12-15
Pompano Beach, FL
| Did the sales rep just say that to you to get you off the phone, or did he seem genuine?
I ask that because I think every single DSLi user has been waiting for an upgrade for God knows how many months now. We're at the point now where we are resigned to 1.5 speeds.
Yea, 3.0 mbps service is the norm now. And DSLi is expensive as it is. But then the question becomes: Is twice the speed, with the quality connection I am getting now, worth the price? Decisions decisions. I have always been of the opinion that I would pay more for a service I know very well. Lets face it, changing providers is a royal hassle, especially for those of us who run their own servers.
Anyway, I hope what the sales rep says is true, and I hope you report back to let us know so everyone, who wants the higher speeds, can get it. |
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ortuno2k
join:2004-06-14
Hialeah, FL
| reply to ortuno2k
Actually; not on the phone, I emailed him and asked him. This is the same sales rep who signed me up last year. I don't see why he'd lie.
I know what you mean about changing providers and running servers. I've heard Comcast's dynamic IP sometimes works like a static one (keeping the same ip for a long time) but it's still not as reliable as a static ip.
I think I'll still pay the extra money and just deal with it.
I guess internet freedom and no port-blocking is worth $10 more bucks a month... |
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avantare
Go Tribe
join:2000-02-16
Farmington, MI | Quote from you: "Actually; not on the phone, I emailed him and asked him."
Post the emails and make sure to edit out any IP's or names.
Chuck |
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ortuno2k
join:2004-06-14
Hialeah, FL
| xxxxx,
We will have the 3meg/384k available in a week or so. The price for the up grade per month would put you at 59.95. If you would like to up grade I would need to send you (preferred by fax) a change order form. You would need to fill it out and fax it to me.
xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxx@dsli.com
DSLi Corp
305-779-0000 direct
305-666-0000 fax
786-888-0000 VOX3
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx xxxxx [mailto:xxxx@xxx.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:45 PM
To: xxxx xxxxxx
Subject: Service Speed Upgrade?
Hello xxxxx,
Just wanting to know if there is any word on any faster service than my current one for the same price. I'm really interested in getting at least more upload speed for my mail server.
Thanks.
xxxxx
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From: "xxxx xxxxxx"
To: "'xxxxx xxxxxx'"
Subject: RE: Service Speed Upgrade?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:13:35 -0500
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I had to X out all IPs, computer names, email addresses, names, phone #'s and fax #s.
Header also edited for the same stuff. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Keep in mind this upgrade will force you onto PPP service from either routed or bridged. Unless you are on a fiber line, in that case you are already PPP and they probably can't do the upgrade anyway. |
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avantare
Go Tribe
join:2000-02-16
Farmington, MI | What are the pros and cons of PPP as I am ignorant of them.
Chuck |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| Pros: I can't think of any at all for the end user. For the providers involved, they are significant, which is what drives it further.
Cons: Lots.
No longer dealing with a "nailed up" link. PPP is dialup. You or your equipment must initiate the connection, and redial it when it goes down.
PPPoE requires reduction in MTU to reliably work. This, by definition, breaks every ethernet adapter ever made, and every one that will ever be made. The default install of these adapters is wrong for the protocol, user must make an adjustment.
Most providers are moving to an aggregated circuit configuration. This "bundles" hundreds or even thousands of customers onto a singe virtual circuit across the ATM network. If that circuit fails, all those customers are down, all at once.
There are more ugly things about this. Google for them or ask anyone who has had to endure them. |
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gojeda
join:2002-12-15
Pompano Beach, FL
| reply to ortuno2k
There is actually one good thing, and it is perhaps the only real good thing about PPPoE, is that is reduces some broadcast traffic - which is a good thing from a security standpoint. There is some increased protection from denial of service attacks.
But if you have good security in place already, then this is all for naught anyway.
The MTU problem is overblown, as the reduced MTU setting is enabled automatically on most routers in PPPoE mode. Most routers also automatially prevent the PPPoE connection from ever going down, which is why static IP PPPoE works pretty well.
Yes, PPPoE mainly benefits the ISP.....but, in this case with DSLi, we do get roughly twice the bandwidth at a $10 premium.
So the question becomes "is it worth it"?
About 3 or so years ago, I ordered a BST Static IP PPPoE setup for a company in Miami I was working with at the time. I never did have a problem either with sending out or receiving traffic.
Im going to have to call DSLi and see what's going on. But if I do go PPPoE, I would have to insist on a "trial" period to test out any connectivity or bandwidth issues that may arise. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| said by gojeda  :There is actually one good thing, and it is perhaps the only real good thing about PPPoE, is that is reduces some broadcast traffic - which is a good thing from a security standpoint. There is some increased protection from denial of service attacks. ISPs who bridge, but don't use secure ARP deserve to have broadcast problems.
said by gojeda :The MTU problem is overblown, as the reduced MTU setting is enabled automatically on most routers in PPPoE mode. Most routers also automatially prevent the PPPoE connection from ever going down, which is why static IP PPPoE works pretty well. Wrong. Incorrect PC ethernet adapter MTU is the source of dropped packet problems, not the wrongly believed to be fragmentation problems.
said by gojeda :Yes, PPPoE mainly benefits the ISP.....but, in this case with DSLi, we do get roughly twice the bandwidth at a $10 premium. If you are willing to surrender your nailed up link, fine. Just know that this is what comes with a BBG/PPP provider.
said by gojeda :So the question becomes "is it worth it"? About 3 or so years ago, I ordered a BST Static IP PPPoE setup for a company in Miami I was working with at the time. I never did have a problem either with sending out or receiving traffic. Im going to have to call DSLi and see what's going on. But if I do go PPPoE, I would have to insist on a "trial" period to test out any connectivity or bandwidth issues that may arise. DSLI has been doing static IP well before 3 years ago, and they are cheaper than BST. No idea why you bothered with BST. And there are other ISPs in town that, while not as cheap as DSLi, they are still cheaper than BST. |
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gojeda
join:2002-12-15
Pompano Beach, FL | reply to ortuno2k
Considering that the vast majority of broadband users have to use PPPoE is proof enough that PPPoE is not necessarily a bad thing.
Changing the MTU on an adapter, if it actually needs to be changed at all, is not a big deal (Dr. TCP). |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| said by gojeda :Considering that the vast majority of broadband users have to use PPPoE is proof enough that PPPoE is not necessarily a bad thing. Changing the MTU on an adapter, if it actually needs to be changed at all, is not a big deal (Dr. TCP). Bridging and routing scale very poorly, and PPP (oE or oA) solves that problem. You just couldn't have huge regional DSL ISPs with over 100,000 customers bridged or routed, and a teleco can't handle millions of discrete VCs that bridging or routing require.
So when you say "the vast majority of broadband users have to use PPPoE " you have it backwards. PPP is what allowed ISPs to grow to the point that all the others who bridge or route are now in the vast minority. This doesn't make PPP a good thing. It's just the only thing that allows huge ATM networks to exist and gro even huger.
As far having to change MTU settings, right, no big deal. Too bad the vast majority of PPP ISPs don't mention this. By not mentioning this they just drive up their own support costs in handling the problem when it comes up. Now you know why they outsource to third world countries: Too many customers, most of them badly configured, and not enough US dollars to stay alive keeping support here. I guess the terrible quality of the support that also comes with outsourcing is a bad side effect of all of this. |
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ortuno2k
join:2004-06-14
Hialeah, FL
| reply to ortuno2k
I'm now kinda lost with all this tech-talk.
I'm currently using my router to connect my pcs; the settings in the router are set to STATIC IP with the ip provided by dsli. What type of connection is that? PPP?
I had bellsouth before, and had to use PPPoE. I hope it's not like that again.
Also, what's the MTU settings? What do they do?
Sorry for the dumb questions, but now I'm kind of worried the new service won't work as good as this one now. |
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ortuno2k
join:2004-06-14
Hialeah, FL
| Sorry for the double post.
The reason why I'm on Dsli is 'cause I host my web & mail server and they don't have any port-restriction and they offer static ip.
Any other company out there does the same for about the same price?
I was checking speakeasy.net but they're about $30+ a month than my current fee. |
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gojeda
join:2002-12-15
Pompano Beach, FL
| reply to ortuno2k
ortuno,
Here is a little example of what happens when you are exchanging packets of data with your ISP/remote hosts.
»www.netheaven.com/pmtu.html
Grayson is right in so far that the 1492 MTU that PPPoE uses is incompatible with the default config of an ethernet adapter of 1500. And he is right to point out that there could be problems with accessing certain sites.
The reality is, though, that the vast majority don't have issues, essentially because of takes place in my little article I cited.
AFAIK - there are no restrictions to be found on a DSLi's PPPoE account that aren't already there with the bridged connection we currently use.
And if there are, then I need to know about it 
Like I said, I would only go over to DSLi's PPPoE service with the provision that I could be switched back (at no charge) if I encountered any problems. Like I said, I run an email server and webserver. If they break because of PPPoE, then I need to be switched back. If DSLi can't make that assurance, Ill stay where I am.
Ill call them next week to see what they say. |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | You can ask them about free swapping back and forth, maybe even a free trial on the new service. See what they say, but such swapping will not be free to DSLi. Bellsouth is going to charge them for it. |
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
Premium
join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL | Yeah, those people will charge anyone for anything. They do everything possible to make a buck.
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"The only thing that’s worse than being blind is having sight but no vision." |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Well, it's not like they aren't doing anything for the money. To do the upgrade, they have to tear down your dedicated VC, and create a new non-dedicated VC thru their ATM network for you. |
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
Premium
join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL | Very true, but knowing Bell it's all automated anyway.  |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Well, it's not exactly automated. But it is all done via software. Someone still has to type stuff in to setup and tear down circuits. The DSLAM card also has to be reprogrammed for the higher speed, so this is really two changes. |
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