yengec
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| No wonder
Most of these countries have a population of a few million at best and landmass that is comparable to North Carolina, maybe Texas at the most.
Of course broadband penetration would be easier and broader in those regions that US is trailing.
US by itself occupies half of the North America continent and we have way more distance and population than most of these countries combined...
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qdemn7
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| said by yengec  :Most of these countries have a population of a few million at best and landmass that is comparable to North Carolina, maybe Texas at the most. Of course broadband penetration would be easier and broader in those regions that US is trailing. US by itself occupies half of the North America continent and we have way more distance and population than most of these countries combined... Cheers Dan Yes, but to listen to all they crybabies that will post later, it's all a grand conspiracy why we're #10. 
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Canada: so tiny.
While geography may be a valid point in many cases, I think it's also because those governments took an active role in infrastructure investment, though I know that's not fashionable 'round these parts - in the land of free market lovers - to believe so..... |
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yengec
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Adding to my previous post.
CIA's world factbook about Belgium:
Population: 10,348,276 (July 2004 est.)
Area Comparative: About the size of Maryland
10 million people roughly makes 4,000,000 householdss (at a conservative rate of 2.5 people per home).
Which is easier? Network a whole continent (sort of) or penetrate an area as small as Maryland...
Bring service to roughly 260,000,000 or 10,000,000?
We should grade/compare ourselves with nations having same amount of landmass and same amount of population to get a more reliable consensus... |
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one_bored_si
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Shack
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Excellent point, however why is it almost non existent in even our most densely populated areas to have the quality of broadband that these counties have? 10/10 mbit connections have been common in several small countries for several years, yet that is almost non existent in even our most densely populated areas. Makes you wonder. |
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yengec
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Boca Raton, FL | reply to one_bored_si
CIA's website on world fact book was the first thing that came to my mind. It's free and it's organized efficiently. I could have probably looked at Encarta or something but I don't know if their services are fee based... |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to yengec
We also have over 260X the resources as belgium. |
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said by Karl Bode :Canada: so tiny. ... Well, no and yes, in terms of population density, most of the population inhabits a rather small portion of the land. There's quite alot of open space up there.
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| Unlike the United States?  Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now?
I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason. |
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electric_dsl
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The US by itself covers way less then half the North American continent. Canada is second on the list for land mass, US is fifth or something, it isn;t much bigger then Australia.
Anyway the US is an insanly rich country there is no excuse for such poor broadband service. Yes belgium may be smaller then the US but its income reflects that in a HUGE way. There is NO reason for a country the size of the US with the monetery and technical resources to be lagging behind countries like korea or Japan.
In Canada we are well covered both urban and rural. Canada does have a fairly large rural community and for the most part they are covered. Small towns, 4000 persons small have access to DSL. We also pay A LOT less then you do for more speed. In fact Canada should be worse off because we have:
Less population but a bigger space. The us has a smaller but still big space but it has a lot more people.
Smaller economy... |
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qdemn7
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said by Karl Bode :Unlike the United States? Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now? I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason. Maybe so Karl, but by "government policy" just which government are you speaking? Local, state or national?
I have a sneaking suspicion that many munis see broadband and cable as a money pot they can draw on at will. And that just might have a whole lot to do with the "lack" of BB penetration.
As I said before; "Politicians are like crack whores, there is no such thing as enough."
Also we are in a minority, we are avid users of BB and look at it as something important. Those that don't have a PC, or only use one for email, don't give a rat's ass for the US BB penetration.
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said by Karl Bode :Unlike the United States? Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now? I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason. It's just one factor to consider. I would rank policy above it.
edit --> Personally, I blame Mercator for that warped projection of his. |
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Not a conspiracy, its just $$$. Why would any American telco/cableco upgrade the service they offer when they have a lock on local access? They can continue to milk money out of people for sub standard speeds. Maybe if I were a rich greedy cooperate guy I would be okay with robbing people too. Yeah thats right, I called it stealing. If the music/movie industry can make up new definitions, guess I can too.
I guess this is the part where the other crybabies come out and say something like "if you don't like your service pick another, or go back to dial up"
We all still pay for it because we don't have a choice. So they will keep raising the prices for the same services (kind of like oil) until someone steps in. Be it the government or a more reasonable alternative. |
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yengec
join:2000-03-24
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Respectfully, I remember reading that 90% of Canada's population lived within a 100 mile vicinity of the US Border. I realize Canada has a very big (and equally beautiful) landmass, but I believe the used area is still comparable to a small country.
I believe there is a similar scenario for Australia as well. A few fairly large cities on the eastern, South eastern and northeastern shores, one city on the northern coast and another one on the southwest corner. Then, empty vast spaces... The whole country is the same size as the US, with a population comparable only to the state of New York...
I think big countries with small populations are the most disadvantaged ones in this case... Too broad of a distance to cover, yet too few people to make money out of... |
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Karl Bode
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Maybe so Karl, but by "government policy" just which government are you speaking? Local, state or national?
I was thinking largely federal, and not about the muni debate.
They simply don't hold companies accountable, aren't consistent, don't have a national policy in place to improve penetration that doesn't involve giving away the candy store to mega-corps, and their programs (look at E-Rate, USF) are packed with mismanagement and fraud. |
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said by yengec :Bring service to roughly 260,000,000 or 10,000,000? The US has a few more people than 260,000,000.
Maybe 33 million more.
Need more fiber.
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said by one_bored_si :Just wondering, why would you use CIA's info. If they can't get intelligence right, why believe something as trivial as geography from them. Just wondering why would you not believe factual information from CIA, like population, area, and geographical information?
Can you tell the difference between information (What's the capital of Belgium) and intelligence (Where are those darned Belgian nukes?)?
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and use the same cia info |
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yengec
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Boca Raton, FL | reply to Beeper
Woow. You are way correct. 293,000,000 as of July 2004...
Probably over 300,000,000 before 2010... |
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