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Karl Bode
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Re: No wonder

Canada: so tiny.

While geography may be a valid point in many cases, I think it's also because those governments took an active role in infrastructure investment, though I know that's not fashionable 'round these parts - in the land of free market lovers - to believe so.....


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Canada: so tiny.
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Well, no and yes, in terms of population density, most of the population inhabits a rather small portion of the land. There's quite alot of open space up there.

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Unlike the United States? Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now?

I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason.


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said by Karl Bode See Profile:

Unlike the United States? Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now?

I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason.
Maybe so Karl, but by "government policy" just which government are you speaking? Local, state or national?
I have a sneaking suspicion that many munis see broadband and cable as a money pot they can draw on at will. And that just might have a whole lot to do with the "lack" of BB penetration.

As I said before; "Politicians are like crack whores, there is no such thing as enough."

Also we are in a minority, we are avid users of BB and look at it as something important. Those that don't have a PC, or only use one for email, don't give a rat's ass for the US BB penetration.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile:

Unlike the United States? Shouldn't those city dwellers have fiber by now?

I'm not sure the geography dismissal is justified. I think government policy should be at least looked at as a reason.
It's just one factor to consider. I would rank policy above it.

edit --> Personally, I blame Mercator for that warped projection of his.


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Maybe so Karl, but by "government policy" just which government are you speaking? Local, state or national?
I was thinking largely federal, and not about the muni debate.

They simply don't hold companies accountable, aren't consistent, don't have a national policy in place to improve penetration that doesn't involve giving away the candy store to mega-corps, and their programs (look at E-Rate, USF) are packed with mismanagement and fraud.

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... I think it's also because those governments took an active role in infrastructure investment.
Yup, that's why. Mostly through incentives, or some type of government/private partnership.

Why there and not here? In some cases, like Korea, they felt they had to do it to avoid falling behind the U.S. Here, we tend to be too arrogant these days to think we'd ever fall behind anyone (guess it's a good thing we had the Soviets around in the 1950's, or we wouldn't have the Interstate Highway system).

Also, those governemts actually view broadband as "infrastructure". Only our local governments tend to think that way, and the telecom corporations have been pretty good at stopping them at the state level.

And in general, I think government here has become less inclined to do things to benefit the public good (as opposed to benefitting campaign contributors), then in most other democracies.
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