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vonsen
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3 edits | So you wanna try Voip?
A few guidelines & answers for those new to Voip
You might also want to look at the Official Voip FAQ
Or the Voip Wiki
1. What is this Voip thing?
2. If it's like a regular telephone, why bother?
3. Why doesn't everyone get Voip?
4. What kind of hiccups are we talking about?
5. Where can I find out more?
6. Other considerations
7. In Conclusion
1. What is this Voip thing?
Voip (pronounced 'voyp') is Voice over IP, a way to send voice conversations over the internet. You might have run across this already with voice/chat applications like Skype or MSN Messenger. Much of the current interest though is in using Voip to make telephone calls. When I make a Voip phone call, I use a normal telephone and dial the normal phone number of whoever I am calling. The people on the other end can't tell that whether I'm calling from a traditional telephone or a Voip one. The main difference is that the phone call travels over the internet rather than through the local phone company's wires.
2. If it's like a regular telephone, why bother?
<It costs less> Well, there are a couple of reasons. A lot of people are attracted to Voip because it typically costs less than phone service from your local Telco (Telephone company). Often you can get a flat rate Voip service that includes unlimited long distance calls in the US/Canada for $20 - $30 per month. Some plans include free long distance calls to other various other countries. If you don't use your phone much, you might be able to get a limited use plan for about $10 per month. Phone service usually costs a lot more than this with a Telco. In many areas it is still not possible to get a flat rate long distance plan from a Telco, so Voip is very attractive to those who make or would like to make a lot of long distance calls.
<Feature rich> Secondly, most Voip companies offer feature rich plans. A lot of Telco's charge additional fees for services like Caller ID, call forwarding or distinctive ring. Most Voip plans include dozens of custom calling features in their base rate. So you don't pay extra for things like Caller ID or voicemail. Voip providers have also added a lot of features that you may not have seen before. Features like detailed call logs, being able to manage your custom calling features from the web or the option of obtaining a phone number in a different area code than the one you live in.
3. Why doesn't everyone get Voip?
Voip has only become widespread in the last five years, so it is a new technology. And like most new technologies, there have been a few hiccups along the way. If any interruption to your phone service would be a disaster, then Voip may not be for you. But if you like the cost savings, full feature palette and can live with the occasional bug, then you may find Voip to be a very good thing indeed. If you do decide to try Voip, don't give up your regular phone immediately. Try Voip for at least a few weeks to get a feel for it before you cut your landline or cellular ties, just in case you decide that Voip isn't for you.
4. What kind of hiccups are we talking about?
<Your Voip is as good as your ISP> Since Voip routes phone calls over the internet, you have to have broadband ('always on') internet first. And your dial tone will only be as reliable as your ISP. If your internet has an outage, then so will your Voip. And if your internet is flakey, then your phone will be too.
<Faxing, Tivo & alarm systems> Voip is digital. It works fine for talking to your neighbour across the street or calling your Grandmother in Italy. But it may not work for 'analog' calls like fax machines, your Tivo or your home alarm system. This varies from provider to provider. In fact, my fax, Tivos, Ultimate TV and alarm system all work fine on Voip. Just be aware that you may run into difficulties and what works with one provider may not for another.
<911> Don't depend on your Voip line to call 911. Or 112 (EU), 999 (UK), 000 (Australia).. well, you get the idea. It may or may not work. If this makes you nervous then either have an alternate method to reach your country's Emergency number, such as a landline or cell phone. Or simply stay away from Voip. Voip providers have not been around as long as Telco's and are just beginning to build up specialized infrastructure to handle 911 calls. Also Voip is nomadic. That is if you travel, go on vacation or move, your phone number can go with you as long as there is an internet connection at your destination. So the 911 system doesn't have any easy way to know where a Voip customer is physically located. I just keep a cell around in case I ever need to call 911. In most places even an inactive cell that does not have an active account will still be able to place an emergency 911 call.
<They give & they take> Voip gives you the whole range of custom calling features. But you may loose a few 'landline' features too. Your Voip provider probably won't support collect, person to person or 1-900 payment type services. Depending on your provider, you may or may not have access to 411 (directory assistance), 311 (Current events, weather) or 0 (operator assisted dialing). Lastly, you may not be able to reach regionally restricted toll free numbers. If the 1-800 number is national, it will work fine. But sometimes a company will only pay for the 1-800 number to work in their home state or region. Your Voip company probably connects to the telephone network somewhere else, so you may not be able to reach a restricted 1-800 number in your home state. Having said that I haven't run into a restricted 1-800 number in quite a while, so maybe they aren't that common anymore. None of these 'limitations' concern me, but you should be aware of them in case they are important to you.
5. Where can I find out more?
You can find user reviews for most of the Voip companies here
And this forum is a good place to ask questions too
Keep in mind that sometimes the same questions are asked over and over. So you will get a warmer reception in the forum if you take sixty seconds to try finding your answer with the search button first, before jumping into the fray. Some people in the forum (like me) might give you a hard time if it obvious that you didn't bother searching first. If your search is unsuccessful then some of the forum regulars will try to help you.
This is a list of some of the better known Voip providers. This is not an endorsement of any particular provider(s), it just isn't practical to maintain an all-inclusive list. The companies are listed alphabetically
AT&T website reviews
Broadvoice website reviews
Broadvox website reviews
Lingo website reviews
Packet 8 website reviews
Quantum Voice website reviews
Rocketvoip website reviews
Sunrocket website reviews
Voice Pulse website reviews
Vonage website reviews
6. Other Considerations
How do I connect my phone to the Internet?
When you sign up with one of the Voip providers, they will send you a small Voip 'adapter'. The adapter connects between your phone and your internet. Many of the adapters can function as a basic router too, if you don't already have one. Some providers will also let you sign up using your own adapter (if you have one). These are called 'BYOD' (Bring Your Own Device) plans and may entitle you to a discounted plan rate. If you are careful to ensure that you are disconnected from the Telco wiring, you could also plug the Voip adapter into a telephone jack in your house. Then all of the jacks would have a Voip dial tone.
Is the call quality clear?
If your ISP is solid your Voip calls should be about the same as a traditional plain old telephone call. Some providers will let you choose the quality level. Lower quality rates use less bandwidth (around 30Kbps) and may sound a bit hollow, muffled or tinny. Higher quality rates use more bandwidth (around 90Kbps) and sound as good as or better than a Telco call. Some people report that their phone call quality suffers if they use the internet while on the phone. If you experience this problem it can be fixed by using a 'QoS' capable router such as the Linksys WRT54G. QoS gives a higher priority to Voip during a call so that the call quality does not suffer.
How dependable is my Internet?
Your Voip will work a lot better if you have a solid path to the internet. This does not mean that you are home free just because you have lots of bandwidth. It doesn't make much difference to Voip if you paid extra to get that 10Mbit line. Yes you do need a certain amount of bandwidth (30 - 90Kbps in each direction). But we are really talking about line quality, not speed. Quality means having very few dropped packets and low jitter and latency. There are some good line quality tests on this site if you aren't sure about your ISP.
I thought that Voip was free?
The type of Voip that we have been talking about costs less than a Telco but is not free. There are some free services available that you may want to look into such as Skype or FWD. Free services excel at making PC to PC calls, but may have limited access to the regular (PSTN) Telephone network.
Number Portability (Porting)
Can I transfer (port) my landline or cell number to a Voip provider? This is a good description of how porting works. Often you can port an existing landline (and maybe a wireless) number to Voip if you want to. Keep in mind that if a Voip provider provides you with a new number and you later decide to change companies that you may not be able to keep the number that was assigned to your account. The porting rules may not apply if the number originated with a Voip provider.
7. In Conclusion
So is Voip for you? Only you can decide that. There are a lot of happy Voip users here, but like anything you have to try it on yourself and see how it fits. Ask around, maybe some of your friends are already using Voip. Read a few reviews, wander around some of the provider websites. Is there a provider offering a trial period or money-back guarantee? And if you do try out Voip, don't give up your existing phone until you have actually used Voip for a few weeks. Just in case your ISP turns out to be flakey or you run into problems. If you find yourself liking Voip, then tell a few friends about it.
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voiplover
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Portsmouth, NH | Good info. Thanks. | |
| tj008
join:2004-06-24
Cincinnati, OH | Bravo! This must be added up top with the codecs post. Mods, please make it so.
Vonsen, you might want to add Nuvio to the list. Good reviews and ive been using them of late. rock solid and Caller ID with Name!
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| Lets Go
join:2005-03-05
Homer, NY | Great Post. Wish a post like this was available when I started my Voip journey. A must read!!!!
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| lmjh7065
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Cincinnati, OH
 ·QuantumVoice
| Thanks for this great post. It's an easy read and I hope everyone appreciates your hard work on this - I do, thanks again!
It is truly an unbiased review and I believe points out very clearly that we still need POTS to use VoIP a lot of the time, UNTIL everyone has VoIP which is probably a long way off.
I also agree it needs to go to the top of the forum here. | |
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WhyADuck
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join:2003-03-05 | I agree with the other comments, this is a great post (especially for newbies) and ought to be made a "sticky." | |
| ieee1394
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join:2001-08-25
Washington
 ·TowerStream
| One benefit you forgot to mention is that with VOIP you can get a local number in another part of the country you live in or an entirely other country all together. That makes VOIP really attractive to people that would like to make things easier for people that call them long distance on a regular basis. In one fell swoop you can cancel all long distance charges on inbound calls. | |
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nickz
In A Past Life I Was Astroguy
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Hammond, IN | Great write up! | |
| MotoVT
Vonage User Since Jan 2004
join:2002-12-03
Butler, PA | Outstanding!  | |
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vonsen
Just Because
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| Thanks for all of the positive feedback. Obviously one post can't cover everything, but I did try to address the basics.
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DrTCP
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Round Rock, TX | Very good write-up. It is really worth to be in the FAQ. | |
| mcouchey
join:2005-04-07
Murrieta, CA
| I'll chime in on the kuddos. Nice work. I had found some of your info, but scattered around and not conclusive. In fact I cancelled my VoIP account after one day because the info was not that great. Missed yours until now. Help me with this one question. Can you use TIVO over a VoIP? What problems can I expect? | |
| | Fisamo
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·AT&T CallVantage
| Re: So you wanna try Voip? From what I've read, TIVO is hit-or-miss with VoIP service. As vonsen  said, the TIVO is converting digital signals to analog (modem); VoIP is converting back to digital, compressing an audio signal into packets, then converting it back to analog at the VoIP to PSTN gateway to call the TIVO server. If enough of that signal is lost during the 'packetization' or internet transmission, the call won't authenticate or complete.
In general, to get TIVO to work, you need a VoIP provider who uses the G.711 CODEC to digitize/'packetize' the audio. I know that Vonage and ATT offer this option, and I'm unsure about other providers. (With ATT you have to enable their FAX and Modem support option.) In addition, TIVO users often need to slow down their connection. Here's a link to a successful CallVantage TIVO connection: »[ATT CV] True Success With Directivo Series 2 & No Addition
If you're not interested in subscribing to ATT's CallVantage service, run a search for TiVo and your desired provider. The bottom line for any VoIP provider currently is that YMMV. Try before you port your number or take any action that's difficult to undo.
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vonsen
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| There have been a lot of Tivo posts, as a search would have shown. You can get your Tivo to work with many Voip providers, although it may take some tweaking. You will also might try checking some forums that cater to Tivos such as TivoCommunity or AVSForum.
To make your Tivo happy, it is essential that you choose a Voip provider that offers an uncompressed Voip connection. This is typically labelled as a 'g711 codec'. Providers that support faxing will generally work better with Tivos. Use a short phone cord and possibly try a 'dsl line filter' inserted backwards between your tivo and the phone line. If your Tivo model allows you to specify the modem speed, it is key that you choose the slowest possible speed. On some Tivos it may be necessary to use an external modem to force the slower speed transmission. Lastly, you may be able to have your Tivo make it's 'Nielsen' call over the internet by purchasing a Tivo serial cable.
If all else fails, you can try different dial in numbers. Some work better than others. If you can convince your Voip provider to reduce your 'packetization rate' to 10ms that will really help, as will disabling 'silence suppression' aka 'voice activity detection'. If you find all of this terminology confusing, then you should take twenty minutes to read though some old posts and it will make more sense to you.
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Simmer911
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Chelsea, AL
| Great info...I have to say as well. It should be a sticky in this forum really for anyone who is thinking about using VOIP services. I add that anyone looking for more information check out all the websites listed in the provided VOIP Wiki. There is a lot of good information there. Also check out »www.talkaboutvoip.com where I moderate for information in addition to the other great sites.
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| | roger2335
join:2003-03-19
india | Great Info !!
Really worth reading for everyone new or old to the VOIP.
Thanks ! | |
| | jeffw_00
join:2004-05-01
Framingham, MA | Re: So you wanna try Voip? who do you use (provider, adapter) that works for fax and tivo? Do you do a LOT of faxing? | |
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vonsen
Just Because
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| Re: So you wanna try Voip? said by jeffw_00 :who do you use (provider, adapter) that works for fax and tivo? Do you do a LOT of faxing? I have broadvox and lingo. Broadvox /mediatrix works for both. I am not a heavy fax user at home, but am faxing something at least several times a week. Lingo also works for faxing, but not tivo. The latter is probably because lingo is not offering a g711 codec at this time. These are just two examples - there are other providers that will work with fax/tivo too. If you have more tivo questions, start a new thread and we'll see if we can answer them.
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join:2005-02-25
New York, NY
| i'm not very voip conscious but would like to know if there is another company beyond the big ones that are good. my wife & i have tried vonage but it doesn't seem to agree with us and we're looking for something else...namely a service that has good international rates & service...any suggestions? | |
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vonsen
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| Re: So you wanna try Voip? Start a new thread in the main forum below + we'll help you out.
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ronard
@xx.charte | Re: So you wanna try Voip?- Nikkom.com great job- I have Voip for about 4 month and I'm very pleased- WWW.NIKKOM.COM they have a great deal and goog service- I really recommend.:) | |
| | GetSet
join:2005-09-19
Valley Stream, NY | Re: So you wanna try Voip? There is a good company that I'm using.
Nikkom.com with good international rates | |
| | Drex_CS
join:2005-05-11
canada
1 edit | I didn't read all the replies so i'm not sure if all this was covered. but there are some differences since that was posted.
1) VoIP's will now have to carry 911
2) Not all IP's use the same cable for thier VoIP and thier internet. Shaw cable for instance (Canada offer only) uses another set up for thier phone service. This means that your internet may be down (heck your Electricity could be down) and your phone will still work. The reason for this is because the "modem" will run on it's 10 hour lifespan batteries without electricity, and you'll still be able to access your phone.
3) You can use a local number from anywhere in the world, and have it run to your house (eg. get a Hong Kong based VoIP and you have a Hong kong number, but still have no long distance to call your neighbour)
4) Also the biggest thing i hear is that you cant get a "smart ring" with your phone if your on VoIP. This mainly applies to those who use Fax machines. there is actually a piece of hardware that is sold at Radio Shak that offers to differentiate between fax and tele communications and will ring differently for you. these will run you around $70-100 canadian or $50-60 american.
hope this adds to the help this thread will offer to the unknowledgeable! | |
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| Three points. First Speakeasy has now a VOIP service, but they have some serious shortcomings. First, regional 800 numbers are a real problem with them. Numbers for people that route there 800 numbers based upon location such as the FAA, IRS and many retailers get always routed to New York. Second, Speakeasy forces you to always dial 10 digits even if it is a local call. Vonage supports 7, 10 or 11 digit dialing. Third, Speakeasy is NOT nomatic. They force you to put their adapters outside of your firewall and only allow their use on Speakeasy public addresses. | |
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