annex1982
join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: overuse Hi all...I have a problem with RocketVoip (www.rocketvoip.com) They said their service is unlimited ($24.95) and suddenly they sent me an email about a week ago, telling me that I'm not qualified as a residential user and they asked me to switch to business plan. Please read the attached email.
"Dear Customer, We greatly appreciate your business and hope you're enjoying the superior quality of our service. Unfortunately, you do not meet our criteria for a "residential user" according to the WQN agreement you accepted at the time of your purchase.
Fortunately, we have developed a more suitable program that we believe will better meet your needs. This is the best value available with superior quality. For only $14.95 per month, you receive: § 500 minutes to the US, Canada, and over 30 countries that you can also use with your cell phone § Lowest per minute rate plan for all international calls (see attached) § Unlimited rocketVoIP to rocketVoIP calls § Unlimited inbound calls.
We would like to continue your service, but in order to do so, we will need your response to this email within 24 hours, accepting or declining our new $14.95 plan, or we will discontinue your service. Please send an email to support@rocketVoIP.com stating "accept" or "decline" along with your rocketVoIP telephone number, and we will update your account accordingly.
We look forward to being your broadband phone service provider, RocketVoIP Customer Compliance"
I use this service a lot to call my GF and my family abroad (I don't use the service for business purpose). I think a CSR told me that they flag customers who use more than 1200 min/mo. It's not fair since their ad says unlimited. Indeed I need more than 1200 min/mo and I use the service for personal usage.
The bottom line is that their ad is lying and misleading the customers.
Is there anybody can help me with this?
Thank you in advance and I'm sorry for the long story. | |
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 annex1982
join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| I make the phone call to jakarta indonesia. They offer unlimited plan to this city and that's the reason I signed up with them and I talk a lot with my girlfriend and family in Jakarta.
Unfortunately they limit the calls as it is said on the email. A CSR keeps saying that I'm not a regular residential user, while their ad says it "UNLIMITED" and I've been using the service to call my parents and my GF. I've been using about 1200 min since I signed up on March 26.
Thank you for you advice but those companies don't have unlimited service to Jakarta Indonesia. Thank you | |
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 |   WhyADuck Premium join:2003-03-05 | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: Does the person you are talking to in Jakarta have an Internet connection of any kind (either broadband or dial-up)? If so you might be able to communicate using Free World Dialup or Skype. | |
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join:2002-09-27 Rocky Hill, CT | Annex, I got my problem solved after I talked to Tim. He had cleared my account. If you can't get it resolved I would suggest that you file a complaint to BBB, FTC and FCC. | |
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join:2004-06-11 Hanover, PA
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of adapter RocketVoIP uses and if anyone knows if they use G.729 Codec? I am thinking to switching to them because of all the free countries you can call. I have lingo now and I am happy with them but the extra free countries are an added + I just need to make sure that they use G.729 as I do travel and need to use it on dialup 56k sometimes. | |
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join:2004-06-11 Hanover, PA
| annex1982: You might want to contact »www.linefire.com they can create a custom calling plan for you to call to jakarta indonesia Unlimted. I have just contacted them and got a custom plan for callin to the Ukraine. Just tell them which countries you want to call and they can give you a price, they even can include mobile phones in an Unlimited price. | |
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join:2005-04-27 Urbana, IL
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I am with Broadvox Direct and run into the same problem. I talk to my wife alot, alot of times for over an hour a day. She is in canada and I thought this is perfect to get a voip connection instead of calling cards or pay long distance charges. [read my review for braodvox]
here is a summary:
After 3 months of usage, broadvox cancelled my account saying I abused it. I talked to the customer service rep, she said I would have to resign at 29.99 but first return my adaptor.
Then I talked to a higher manager, he just kept repeating the same thing over and over again. I threated to file a complain with the district attorney and FCC/FTC. He said they have lawyers, they are not worried. At one point, I said, look, you are a human being like me, can you tell me what you would do if your cell phone company told you that you have unlimited nights and weekends but then limited your minutes. He said, he can not be human while working for broadvox. haha.. wel he didnt put it in that way. But he said he can not give his personal opinion while working for broadvox. But finaly I threatened to destroy their name in every single forum on the web becuase I know exactly where they get their customers. Thats when he changed and he transfered me to a different CSR (comnpliance department he called it) where they reconnected me. Although they swore before that the computer has cancelled my service and there is nothing they could do.
I wish I had recieved a cancellation email from them that stated that I over used their UNLIMITED service but their cancellation email said "per your request, we are cancelling your service.." I never requested my service to be cancelled..... | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by qalam :I am with Broadvox Direct and run into the same problem. I talk to my wife alot, alot of times for over an hour a day. She is in canada and I thought this is perfect to get a voip connection instead of calling cards or pay long distance charges. [read my review for braodvox] here is a summary: After 3 months of usage, broadvox cancelled my account saying I abused it. I talked to the customer service rep, she said I would have to resign at 29.99 but first return my adaptor. Then I talked to a higher manager, he just kept repeating the same thing over and over again. I threated to file a complain with the district attorney and FCC/FTC. He said they have lawyers, they are not worried. At one point, I said, look, you are a human being like me, can you tell me what you would do if your cell phone company told you that you have unlimited nights and weekends but then limited your minutes. He said, he can not be human while working for broadvox. haha.. wel he didnt put it in that way. But he said he can not give his personal opinion while working for broadvox. But finaly I threatened to destroy their name in every single forum on the web becuase I know exactly where they get their customers. Thats when he changed and he transfered me to a different CSR (comnpliance department he called it) where they reconnected me. Although they swore before that the computer has cancelled my service and there is nothing they could do. I wish I had recieved a cancellation email from them that stated that I over used their UNLIMITED service but their cancellation email said "per your request, we are cancelling your service.." I never requested my service to be cancelled..... qalam: Make another new topic with the same title. Let people know that their service is really NOT unlimited. You'll get a lot of responses if you make a new thread. This also helps other people to think before they sign up with Broadvox.
Anyway I'd recommend you to switch to other company like sunrocket, Voicepulse. They have unlimited plan to canada too. Sunrocket doesn't cost you anything to start and you can terminate your service anytime without paying any extra charge. I think Voicepulse does the same. It should be easy for you to switch providers since most of them offer free calls to Canada. Anyway good luck with Broadvox  | |
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join:2001-04-28 Lawrenceville, GA
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: they did the same thing to me. i got email and i got call from tim and he told me i can't have the plan anymore this people should not be in business at all. they lying to customers also they not telling we allow 1200mins for whole month,what is cellphone now. when is says unlimited it should mean unlimited. as far iknow 1200min is not unlimited at all. i hope they burn in hell this guys, by the way i called my credit card company and i got my money from this blood suckers. i hope you all do that guys dont let them get away with your first month money. i know most of us didnt even finish the month when they cancel our service. | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by xaraye :they did the same thing to me. i got email and i got call from tim and he told me i can't have the plan anymore this people should not be in business at all. they lying to customers also they not telling we allow 1200mins for whole month,what is cellphone now. when is says unlimited it should mean unlimited. as far iknow 1200min is not unlimited at all. i hope they burn in hell this guys, by the way i called my credit card company and i got my money from this blood suckers. i hope you all do that guys dont let them get away with your first month money. i know most of us didnt even finish the month when they cancel our service. Report them to BBB and your state's AG. Tell them they their doing false advertisement | |
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| Rather than repost what I said before, I'll simply refer you to three of my earlier messages in the P8 thread:
»/speak/p···12945224 »/speak/p···12948107 »/speak/p···12955067
(I had a lot more to say in that thread, »[Packet8] P8 switching us to Business2000.unlimited overuse , but those three messages should give you the gist of it).
Basically my advice to you would be similar - if RocketVoIP doesn't back down on this, file a complaint with your state's Attorney General and/or other consumer protection agencies. Any company that uses the word unlimited in their advertising should be held to that, and if they don't really want to offer unlimited service, then they are engaging in false and deceptive advertising by using that word. | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| THanks for the response guys.
Unfortunately my GF doesn't really use the internet that much. so I can't rely using the internet phone like skype, etc.
They use G.729 codec indeed. The voice is very clear and that's the reason I like their VoIP and another good thing is that they work with your cellphone. That's pretty cool actually.
hartfordct: Do you have any idea how many minutes you've been using the service? I think once it reaches 1200 min before the end of your billing cycle, you'll get the same problem as I do.
Should I talk to the upper level management first about this? Though it's impossible to talk to them. | |
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join:2004-06-11 Hanover, PA
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I called and talked to someone at RocketVoip and told them I am interested in getting there service I told them I use about 3000 minutes per month residintial usage and he said that is too much. He said 400 is the average usage but they allow there customers to use between 1500 to 1600 minutes per month.
Only 1500 to 1600 that is not much I think I will stay with lingo as they let me use all the minutes I want with no limits | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I asked the same thing. I told Tim that I need 3000 min/mo. But Tim said he could not make an individual plan which makes sense to and I don understand that. But 1200 min/mo is way way too low.
It just doesn't make any sense that they limit the customer up to 1200 min. Basically once you've hit 1150 min before your billing cycle ends, the system will throw a red flag to your account and I don't thing they let you use up to 1500 - 1600 min as dustenm said | |
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join:2002-09-27 Rocky Hill, CT
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by annex1982 :I asked the same thing. I told Tim that I need 3000 min/mo. But Tim said he could not make an individual plan which makes sense to and I don understand that. But 1200 min/mo is way way too low. It just doesn't make any sense that they limit the customer up to 1200 min. Basically once you've hit 1150 min before your billing cycle ends, the system will throw a red flag to your account and I don't thing they let you use up to 1500 - 1600 min as dustenm said Annex, here is the link to the joint Policy Statement from FTC and FCC about deceptive advertisement: »www.ftc.gov/os/2000/03/jpsada.pdf
I would suggest you file a complain with FTC & FCC and also with your State Attorney. This is a case they (Rocket VoIP) will surely lose, just like Blockbuster Video lost the case in the "No Late Fees" advertisement. | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: hartfordct: Thanks for the link. I'm going to print the statement and read it over the weekend 
Anyway, Antz also posted a topic @ fatwallet.com »www.fatwallet.com/forums/message···d=459513 | |
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join:2001-07-18 Arvada, CO
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: Having worked at ISPs in the 80s/90s when Internet usage was new, the UNLIMITED ploy is very common. CompuServe used the same ploy. When a user hit 1000 minutes in a month they were notified that the usage was high and they would have to change to a different plan such as a business plan for more a month.
Guess where the old ISP guys went? | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by charliev :Having worked at ISPs in the 80s/90s when Internet usage was new, the UNLIMITED ploy is very common. CompuServe used the same ploy. When a user hit 1000 minutes in a month they were notified that the usage was high and they would have to change to a different plan such as a business plan for more a month. Guess where the old ISP guys went? Hahahaha...that's funny. I guess we know where they went. I think history repeats here. | |
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@excel.com | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I will cancel the service. with voip2 I cancelled the service and I worked with my credit card company to get all the money back | |
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join:2005-06-08
| I chatted online with rocketvoip. I asked if I could call Japan for 23 hours every day under their unlimited service plan. He said that would be ok. On the other hand, I just received an email from rocketvoip asking me to switch service plan, or else they will disconnect my service within 48 hours. They said my usage is above the normal average customer's usage.
I have got him to email me the chat conversation. I am going to file complain with BBB, FCC, and FTC. I am also going to write to congressmen. | |
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join:2002-09-27 Rocky Hill, CT
| said by annex1982 :THanks for the response guys. Unfortunately my GF doesn't really use the internet that much. so I can't rely using the internet phone like skype, etc. They use G.729 codec indeed. The voice is very clear and that's the reason I like their VoIP and another good thing is that they work with your cellphone. That's pretty cool actually. hartfordct: Do you have any idea how many minutes you've been using the service? I think once it reaches 1200 min before the end of your billing cycle, you'll get the same problem as I do. Should I talk to the upper level management first about this? Though it's impossible to talk to them. Annex, I have only used about 500 minutes so far this month. | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH | yeah it seems nothing is clear in this VoIP companies. It happened too to a lady from Illinois with Packet 8 and I think an AP reporter already wrote an article for that problem | |
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@excel.com | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: We need to find the companies that cheat like this black mark them... | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by ctceo :I'm sure they advertise Unlimited. But unfortunately they state in their TOS that Unlimited means something other than Unlimited. Which is usually them reserving the right to determine what they consider unlimited based on network traffic and it's alleged affect on their network as a whole. Just like the whole Comcast Unlimited definition. I'm trying to find some links to their TOS, when I find it I will peruse it for the specifics and get back to you. ctceo: This is the link to their TOS. »https://www.rocketvoip.com/Default.aspx?page=terms
Please see point 1.2:
1.2 Residential Use of Service and Device If you have subscribed to WQN's Residential services, the Service and Device are provided to you as a residential user, for your personal, residential, non-business and non-professional use. This means that you are not using them for any commercial or governmental activities, profit-making or non-profit, including but not limited to home office, business, sales, tele-commuting, tele-marketing, autodialing, continuous or extensive call forwarding, fax broadcast, fax blasting or any other activity that would be inconsistent with normal residential usage patterns. This also means that you are not to resell or transfer the Service or the Device to any other person for any purpose, or make any charge for the use of the Service, without express written permission from WQN in advance. You agree that your use of the Service and/or Device, or the use of the Service and/or Device provided to you by any other person for any commercial or governmental purpose will obligate you to pay WQN's higher rates for commercial service on account of all periods, including past periods, in which you use, or used, the Service for commercial or governmental purposes. WQN reserves the right to immediately terminate or modify the Service, if WQN determines, in its sole discretion, that Customer's Service is being used for non-residential or commercial use. | |
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join:2001-11-25 Los Angeles, CA
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·Brand X Internet
·RoadRunner Cable
·Vonage
2 edits | For Christ's sake, I have a 2500 minute per month plan on my CELL phone! PLUS I have unlimited nights and weekends, unlimited PCS-PCS calling, etc.
There's NO WAY that 40 minutes (or an hour, or THREE HOURS) a day can be considered business use!
Many people who buy VOIP do so because they're away from a family member, girlfriend, boyfriend, etc. DON'T ANY OF THE CSR MORONS at ROCKETVOIP HAVE RELATIONS???!!!
I bought Vonage when I was living in Los Angeles and my wife was still living in Tucson. We talked 2 1/2 hours a day together (that works out to an average of 4600 minutes a month)! I never heard a PEEP from Vonage!!
HOW CAN THIS BE CONSIDERED BUSINESS USAGE???!!!
Remember, many of these users are using their VOIP for LOCAL CALLS AS WELL!! They are using cable Internet and HAVE NO LOCAL TELEPHONE!!
By the way, 1200 minutes for 25 bucks is 2.1 cents a minute, a fair to poor deal for a VOIP rate. | |
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  sholling Premium join:2002-02-13 Hemet, CA
| It's fraud plan and simple. Any good shyster should be able to put together a solid class action suit and spank the heck out of them. If they advertize unlimited it unlimited period end of story. The problem is people let them get away with this crap. -- "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."--FREDERIC BASTIAT-- | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. I do agree that this'd be expensive for international calls. But I do believe that no body is using the service or any other phone services for 43,200 min a month. You don't talk on the phone for 24 hours a day. I think I only need 3000 min/mo anyway.
The word UNLIMITED was really tempting before I signed up and that's the reason I switched from packet 8 to this company as p8 was more expensive to me. I agree with WhyADuck that I didn't force them to give me unlimited. But the ad brought me to this. I just hate this company. This is a crappp:( | |
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  vonsen Just Because Premium join:2005-01-06
1 edit | It's fairly common for companies to bait and switch. Realize that the reason that they advertise unlimited calling is simply that it motivates a lot of people to sign up. They know that most people will not sustain high usage after the initial novelty wears off. If you are a consistent heavy user, the company is losing money on your account. Nevertheless, if the company in question has some integrity, they will honour your 'unlimited' usage anyway. <note to telemarketing scum: this does not apply to you under any conditions. We are talking about bona fide residential usage> The larger pool of people who have a life off the phone end up subsidizing heavy users. Losing money on a small pool of heavy users should be the price paid, if the provider wants to throw around the 'unlimited calling' ad pitch. Lingo is one example of a company that seems to take this approach.
Other providers, like Voip2 figure that it is easier to move high users to per-minute Business plans or get rid of them outright. Profit before integrity. Whether a company can get away with such a tact is a different issue. We live in a litageous society. So the TOS fine print for any provider is likely to be sweepingly unbalanced in their favour. So they may well get away with it in a legal arena. Not that you can't make them uncomfortable with public complaints, publicity, quasi-govermental investigations, etc.
The bottom line solution though is to vote with your feet. Complain if you want, but you'll get farther, faster if you just take a deep breath and go elsewhere. They aren't likely to change until they see lots of customers leaving or declining signups due to bad PR. Post here, tell the provider why you are leaving and walk. When enough people vote with their feet, the provider is obligated to change - or go down in flames. If you don't walk, then you are earning every problem that you have.
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| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by vonsen :We live in a litageous society. So the TOS fine print for any provider is likely to be sweepingly unbalanced in their favour. So they may well get away with it in a legal arena. I would just point out that under some conditions the advertising copy may be considered part of the "contract" that the customer agreed to when he or she signed up. When there is ambiguity in the contract (that is, where one part contradicts another), courts will often resolve the matter in favor of whichever party did NOT draw up the contract. So it would not be my assumption that a company can state one thing in their advertising, and something totally opposite in their TOS, and rely on the TOS to get them out of any disputes. A court of law might well take the position that the advertising copy was part of the contract (particularly if the customer states that he or she relied on the advertising) and that therefore the company, which drew up that "contract" without any input or assistance from the customer, must be held to the terms of the contract most beneficial to the customer.
Now I understand what you are saying, but I have never advocated that a customer attempt to file a court case against a company on their own behalf. What I have suggested on several occasions is that they complain to their state's attorney general, possibly with a copy to the Federal Trade Commission. The reason is that many state AG's will investigate consumer complaints, and if they see a pattern of consumer fraud, they will bring a lawsuit against the company on behalf of the affected customers. It won't cost the customer a dime (well, except perhaps for the price of a stamp if hardcopy of any advertising materials or contracts need to be mailed in, but that's probably not going to be necessary where most or all of the advertising is on a web page) and the customer may well wind up getting a refund of charges that should not have been billed, or any extra costs incurred. On the other hand, the company may get hit with a big fine, most of which will go into the state's coffers, but it will almost certainly discourage them from that sort of fraudulent advertising in the future (and besides, they'll probably be required to sign a consent decree agreeing not to do it again, and if they refuse to sign, the fine will be much higher).
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and nothing above or in any other post of mine is legal advice. It is simply my thoughts and opinion as a layperson, based on things I have read and observed in the past. | |
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| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: There is nothing to say that you can't succeed with a suit or class action. But those approaches usually demand much deeper pockets or at least huge time committments to prevail. My point was that most members will get a lot farther by voting with their feet. And if you can motivate enough other subscribers to do the same, your goal is assured.
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| Alright...basically just think about this. How about if your cell phone company limits the usage of your "unlimited nights and weekends" I bet many customer get piss off by this. And that's what happened to me and other customers. Probably they don't care to this matter. But I do care and I want them to give me the service they promise me when I signed up. It's all it matters.
I bet some of you read the p8 problem happened to a lady from Il. When it brought up to the CEO, he said that it's rare that this lady is counted as a business user and it's not supposed to happened. I think that's how the CEO covers his butt.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!!! when their company appears on an article of a newspaper. | |
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join:2002-09-13 Spicewood, TX | The "unlimite isn't really unlimited" is Voip's dirty-little secret, and will be the undoing of many Voip players. | |
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| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by tlpintpe :The "unlimite isn't really unlimited" is Voip's dirty-little secret This type of marketing practice is not unique to Voip. You see the same thing with ISPs, rental cars and other businesses where there is a fixed transactional cost. Don't blame Voip, blame the company that is duplicitous in it's marketing claims.
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join:2002-09-13 Spicewood, TX | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: You are right, it is not Voip in general, it is marketing by unscrupulous companies. But it can tar the innocent along with the guilty. | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| said by vonsen :said by tlpintpe :The "unlimite isn't really unlimited" is Voip's dirty-little secret This type of marketing practice is not unique to Voip. You see the same thing with ISPs, rental cars and other businesses where there is a fixed transactional cost. Don't blame Voip, blame the company that is duplicitous in it's marketing claims. -- five stars shy So is it they way they do their dirty business?Am I gonna win if I bring this to the court? | |
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join:2002-10-25 Lake Zurich, IL
1 edit | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I wish that article would not single out packet8, but rather summarize all the companies that abuse the word "unlimited". I think Cable Internet providers are another breed trying to redefine the word unlimited. As mentioned above, no one has challenged the innappropriate marketing use of the word "unlimited" and until then, they will continue to abuse it.
Also, OP needs to add a RocketVOIP review to get their message across better. | |
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join:2004-06-11 Hanover, PA | It looks like there list of Unlimited countries is shrinking, thats the same thing voip2 did. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I belive they are voip2.... same business model.... too good to be true.... these companies needed to be stopped | |
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join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| said by dustenm :It looks like there list of Unlimited countries is shrinking, thats the same thing voip2 did. Look...Now they don't have the UNLIMITED plan anymore to Jakarta Indonesia. This company sucksss. Do not ever ever sign up with them. The billing summary/billing detail sucks too. I'm very disappointed with them  | |
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join:2002-11-23 Fort Walton Beach, FL
| Unlimited doesn't exist, it's just a marketing term. They expect the "average" user won't use over a certain limit but there are extremes. I use Vonage, my mother used 4300 minutes last month but Vonage didn't say a thing. Had they said something I would have left them for sure. | |
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Enough complaints (chargebacks) and their merchant account can be terminated. I hear that after that happens, good luck trying to find another merchant account. -- »www.joako.com | |
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| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: said by joako :Everyone who has had problems: call your credit/debit card issuer and tell them what happened. Chances are you will get your money back. Even if it was a debit card, as long as it says "Visa" or "Mastercard" Enough complaints (chargebacks) and their merchant account can be terminated. I hear that after that happens, good luck trying to find another merchant account. That is how they stopped Voip2 from ripping subscribers off.  | |
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| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: Don't ever sign up with their "unlimited" plan.
I even called them before I signed up the service, the rep confirmed that their service is unlimited. Now I received the following email. It asked me to switch to a different plan or they will disconnect my phone within 48 hours.
I called the rep and talked to her for 30 minutes. She kept saying sorry but nothing can be done. I asked to speak to a supervisor. She said all 3 supervisors had gone home after 4pm.
She said my phone usage was above the "average" and she would not tell me what this "average" is. She tried to play innocent saying she just found this new rule today and I was the first customer called in.
Here is the email I got today:
Dear Customer,
We greatly appreciate your business and hope youre enjoying the superior quality of our service. Unfortunately, you do not meet our criteria for a residential user according to the WQN agreement you accepted at the time of your purchase.
Fortunately, we have developed a more suitable program that we believe will better meet your needs: the rocketVoIP No Fees Plan. This is our best value available with superior quality. You still receive all of the benefits of rocketVoIP calling, but instead of paying a monthly fee, you pay for only the minutes you use: nothing more
nothing less. Save over your traditional long distance with our discounted International Rates to the world. No restrictions on calling, no minimum minutes needed. Call as little or as often as you like, and pay no fees for the service. Its the perfect plan for someone needing flexible discount international calling.
We would like to continue your service, but in order to do so, we will need your response to this email within 48 hours, accepting or declining our new rocketVoIP No Fees Plan, or we will discontinue your service. Please send an email to support@rocketVoIP.com stating accept or decline along with your rocketVoIP telephone number, and we will update your account accordingly.
We look forward to being your broadband phone service provider,
RocketVoIP Customer Compliance | |
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 |  |  |  lmjh7065 Premium join:2001-04-04 Cincinnati, OH | Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: I like my plan with RocketVoIP better. It's called the No Service/No Fees/No Usage/No Customers Plan and it's absolutely positively free of any bothersome charges.
It's guaranteed to be a no bait-and-switch plan. | |
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 annex1982
join:2005-02-15 Cleveland, OH
| I'm telling you this company sucks. It's bait and switch company. I complaint to my AG and just got the reply today.
The letter from Andrea Munoz (I think she is the director of Customer Service relations...Not sure) says the following:
"...you placed over 1000 minutes in international calls. Continuing to make calls at this pace would have exceeded over 2000 minutes in a month. THis amount exceeds that which WQN considers normal residential usage patterns. At the time you were notified that your usage patterns were not consistent with that of an average residential user, you were offered an alternate low cost plan, which you declined. Since that time, WQN has launched several more low cost calling plans that might better suit your needs."
After reading this, I thought that this company is bull shit. THey keep saying the same thing over and over again. Even the words are the same. It's just doesn't make any sense. They say it's unlimited but it's capped to a certain minutes. It's just a false advertisement!!
Does anybody have idea on what needs to be done next? I'm still waiting on my response from dallas' BBB where the company is located. I'll keep this thread updated. | |
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 |  lmjh7065 Premium join:2001-04-04 Cincinnati, OH
·QuantumVoice
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: My memory may be fuzzy, but this all sounds almost identical to the VoIP2 saga, and as far as I know they are still in business. Don't know if they have any customers tho, at least they don't deserve any.
I would think that since most VoIP providers want to bill on a credit card, that you need to request credit from RocketVoIP first because you're not getting what you signed up and paid for. Then if they don't give a refund, request the credit from you credit card company. | |
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 |   JoshNJ Premium join:2001-12-25 Freehold, NJ
| said by annex1982 :I'm still waiting on my response from dallas' BBB where the company is located. Uh, you do realize the BBB has no authority over anyone, all they do is keep a log of complaints so consumers can check out other people's complaints about a given company. No more, no less. -- I support the RIAA | |
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 |  |  mr_loly_pop
join:2005-06-21
| Re: [Other] RocketVoIP switches plan to business: well i was sitting on the net and i was just going through the matters i want to tell you that company is located in
WQN, Inc. is headquartered in Dallas, Texas. 14911 Quorum Drive, Suite 140 Dallas, Tx 75254 (866)661-6176 (972)361-1980
these are the details of WQN RocketVOIP
but i want to tell you that if you are calling to the coustomer care talk to TIM there he is the right person to talk and i think it will help you and if you need any more information about ROCKET VOIP services e-mail me on mr_loly_pop@yahoo.com or same as on hotmail.com | |
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