gene67
@cable.rogers
| the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap i just set up my account cause rogers is all there is for me. they said that rogers protested having to put on a limit but the government made them do it to cut down on the piracy.
-they also said that other isps only offer 5 gigs limit and then charge for extra up to 60gb again.
-in fact they said that theyd rather have it unlimited: that there is no way that i could possibly go over it: moreover i shouldn't go over that limit: the government makes them enforce the rule that if you go over three times you can't get any high speed internet anymore.
-so im allowed to go over it twice right? but is that twice ever? they said so. Moreover they made it sound that its risky just to go over it by a bit.
i was thinking if i were to go over once id go over in spades like 300gb inside a month and get it out of my system. aparently i shouldn't do that. i thought if i did it twice and never deleted anything ever i could limit myself to that only 60gb.
they also said an account is based on where i live: so if i live at home over the summer- 4 months and go over twice and then move away and get a new rogers account i would have another too "oopsies" in my corner. then again when i move back/ if i move back those two would be waiting for me.
what do you guys think? ive never heard of this government excuse before. | |
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 cc86
join:2004-02-24
Waterloo, ON | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap lol the government has nothing to do with caps, it's all Rogers. Lots of isps have no caps, switch to one of them, I am. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers
| none others in my area: really.
3web says its not availiable.
bell says that i can't get dsl where i am cause my phone line isn't hooked up right for it.
is there really any other options for a 3mbps connection with unlimited usage? not where i am. not where im moving next year (my dorm next year will have crappy 10mb line that blocks out ALL traffic other than browsing: no games, videos, streaming, downloading,etc.
but i might be able to get rogers.
the rogers lady did say that the canadian government ordered a 60gb limit per person on all isps. | |
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cc86
join:2004-02-24
Waterloo, ON | Well the Rogers lady is an idiot. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers
| ok then:
what about going over the cap then?
i figure if im only allowed to go over twice ill make it so ill only need to go over twice.
im talking like download anything ive ever had any slight interest or second look at.
think theyll freak out if i download/upload a combined 600gb? lol: if you think you can its possible, but should you? can you get away with it? | |
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join:2004-02-24
Waterloo, ON
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap said by gene67:
ok then:
what about going over the cap then?
i figure if im only allowed to go over twice ill make it so ill only need to go over twice.
im talking like download anything ive ever had any slight interest or second look at.
think theyll freak out if i download/upload a combined 600gb? lol: if you think you can its possible, but should you? can you get away with it?
Far as I know it doesn't matter how much you go over 60 GB in a billing cycle. So if you're going to go over then go nuts, I am. | |
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Talon88
The One
join:2003-08-13
Toronto | The Grovenment things from Rogers are
all BS.....! | |
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| darrylr
join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Maybe it is aliens causing it all. I did watch an episode of the X-Files the other night. It could be The Smoking Man behind it.
-Darryl | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| I've heard all manner of nonsense out of Rogers, but this has to take the biscuit. Sounds like a rep who was trying to shift some of the heat.
The government has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the caps. There is NO government regulation of the ISP industry which is why Rogers can get away with the crap it does in the End User Agreement.
As to going over, it's really quite simple ... if you go over, 3 times, Rogers doesn't want you as a customer. Remember too that if you go over in a ridiculous way, Rogers could enforce other parts of their terms of service and terminate you immediately.
Whether it's fair or not, I don't know, but it's how it is and something you'll have to live with if you don't have any alternatives. | |
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LL110
join:2005-04-22
Mississauga, ON | Sounds like the "It's the Gov't" line you get when you ask about the ~$6.95 "System Access Fee" on some cell phone plans when the gov't sees none of that, or requires anyone to charge that. | |
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mitch28
@cable.rogers
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Some how i think the original poster is making this up. It hardly seems like something that Rogers would say considering many ISP's.
And if true would would anyone take the word of a outsourced sales department as the truth about the cap? This is the first post ever about this. Look at the million other posts about the cap, this was never given as a reason.
Somebody is making this up to stir things up. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap I've heard things out of Rogers that approach this ... so, I wouldn't put it past them. Just as they say the "System Access Fee" is a gov't sponsored tax. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers
| Some how i think the original poster is making this up.
--no really: full story i just called them to order my own account and they said all that government stuff: and i kinda went HUH?
anyway i got my own account/modem in my mothers house now, and intend to go over in my first month. go over quite a bit.
frankly if i try: and im going to i could very easily download like 10-15 gigs a day and upload about 5 if i try.
times 30 days or so... think rogers will "enforce other parts of their terms of service and terminate you immediately?"
i can at least try to claim ignorance to how much i use if its the first time right? | |
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Gtr7
@cable.rogers
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Get it over with quick, get a ban from Rogers service that is. Go three times over and your out. It will make more bandwidth for the others who are being sensible about their service use. Prime example of why caps are implemented. Sometimes a person can go over the limit, but to do it purposely from what your saying gene67 and for month after month, you would deserve to be "kicked". | |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Bell Sympatico
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap said by Gtr7:
Prime example of why caps are implemented. Prime example of why Rogers shouldnt have ruined yet another good thing.
Ha, don't you see that this person is doing it to spite Rogers because of the fact they implemented the cap? I did it too, I don't d/l 60 gigs even in a couple of months, but when this cap was about to be implemented, i pulled in 250+ gigs in March alone before it came into effect. They're screwing with us, and they tossed the first stone, so have your opinion, but we'll bend the rules as much as we can. | |
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Gtr7
@cable.rogers
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap I don't care for the cap either. Now we all have to watch our usage amount. Rogers controls the source so what is the net lover supposed to do? They make the rules. They found out that their equipment cannot handle the load so they implement a cap but still subscribe new users. Why would there be any other reason to implement a cap. I'm not pissed at users for going over. I have come close myself. Its just the heavy users are the ones that Rogers is setting their standards for all. Offering 60 gig is still pretty good compared to some smaller services. Thank god there is competition in the internet business or their cap could be lower. If they don't upgrade to keep up with the demand, I would not put it past them to lower the cap limit. If they did that = bye bye extreme = too much $$$ for what you get. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Please let's keep this civil and not be provocative. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers
| ok first i agree that what that lady said was probley just rambling tripe: she came off as the slightly ignorant type.
second: isn't that playing inside their rules? if i only go over twice but when i do so i go over in spades and never delete anythign again i can get it out of my system and probley stay under 60gb, or at least 120gb between my account and the primary account in the house for the forseeable future.
on a normal heavy month i did 110gb which is the norm: on a get anything and everything in sight month i could probley make constant use of the 4-5mbs line. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap The rules say your use of the internet must not impair the use of others and must not impose an abnormal load on the network.
They also go on to say that you must obey the bandwidth caps currently in place - with the 3 strikes and you're out policy.
BUT for the first two rules, they don't have to give you a 3 strikes. In fact, if you go over once mega, and do it again mega after warning you to cut back, they could impose the first two rules and ditch you immediately.
If I were going to play the system, I do my mega downloading in month 1, cut back to say 70 in month 2 and then under 60 thereafter. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Well, b) is correct ... they can't offer Fox news because of Canadian Content regs from the CRTC (already too much US based 24Hr news services) and Fox opted out of doing a Fox Canada. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers | soudns like a good idea: just go over by a bit in the second strike: if you do in the second strike.
one strike isn't a pattern right?
i do have two accounts now whose combiend limit should make it tolerable. | |
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| jeeva86
join:2005-04-30
Scarborough, ON
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap they'll be losing a lot of customers to bell wouldn't they with this ban over the couple months..esp with summer..and people having more time in their hands..at first i thought the 60gig limit won't really effect me..cuz i didn't expect myself to u/d so much..but when i just checked my limit..i reached 98 gigs..shocking..well it includes uploading too..so ya..how many of you would switch to bell eventually..if they continue to have unlimited transfers | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap There's the rub ... they're looking at about 1000 or so subscribers impacted by the caps. Probably about 1/2 will comply. Therefore they'll be terminating about 500 people. With over 900,000 subscribers, 500 or even 2000 is less than their month over month churn rate (people who sub and cancel).
Losing 500 to 1000 isn't a blip on the radar. And it will save them something like 10 grand a month in bandwidth costs. In a company that is now in "cost cutting mode", that's worth doing. | |
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AR-RG
@cable.rogers
| Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap No good at math huh, let's say 1000 people leave, at $45 a month. Pull out your calculater sbrook. Not to mention the same people perhaps cancelling the majority of their other Rogers services. I have a $350 per month bundle. This blip will smack your radar right in the face. Seems the competition will be providing better service in the near future anyways. People will leave regardless. | |
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Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
Premium
join:2005-03-12
4 edits | Re: the govenment did it: the 60 gig cap Actually, the math here is really simple. The over-the-cap users are costing Rogers far more in bandwidth consumption than they're paying. By kicking them off, Rogers saves money. Say 1000 people leave or are terminated -- Rogers loses about half a million dollars in annual gross revenue. Besides the incremental bandwidth costs to support this group, I've seen numbers related to the system upgrades that would be required to accomodate the bandwidth demands of this group that run to capital costs of well over $10 million.
One may question the accuracy of these numbers, but it seems reasonable to assume that in many cases the "last mile" cable infrastructure would need to be upgraded and that's where the biggest costs are. Bell doesn't have the same issue of shared bandwidth in the local loop, and that's perhaps one reason they don't currently enforce caps.
Like everyone else I'd love to see the system upgraded to superfast speeds, but the economics just aren't there, and so it's not really that hard to understand why Rogers is happy to wave goodbye to this particular customer segment. | |
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gene67
@cable.rogers | crying on the inside:
rogers is the only high speed service availiable where i am
they could do whatever they want and id have to put up with it
no dsl in my phonelines nor any other high speed cable company around.
its sad | |
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