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Skipdawg
The Original
Premium,ExMod 2001-03
join:2001-04-19
Mount Vernon, WA

reply to november88

Re: Google is not going to Google...

Google is back for me but now gmail is gone? And now google news just died clicking to a story!
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IronChefMoto
Premium
join:2001-02-08
Atlanta, GA

reply to november88
Just tried it from Comcast HSI in ATlanta -- no Google or GMail joy. Sounds like one too many 2GB+ e-mail accounts.

IronChefMorimoto



mers2
Premium,MVM
join:2004-03-20
USA
kudos:8

reply to november88
The main Google page is up for me, but the news page is down.



Bigman68
Bigger Is Better

join:2000-12-07
West Haven, CT

reply to november88
I can't get to the news or gmail either. Someone must have tripped over a bunch of wires over there and they are trying to find all the correct places to plug them back in.



storm64007
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Freeport, NY

1 edit

I wonder if this has anything to do with the mass bad publicity of Google web accelerator yesterday :P



Pole883
Premium
join:2004-01-27
Schenectady, NY
kudos:2

reply to Bigman68
GMAil...down and out.....oh well.........



IronChefMoto
Premium
join:2001-02-08
Atlanta, GA

reply to november88
Wonder how many people who have Google set as their homepage are firing up their phones to call their ISP customer support.

I immediately went to my router. Google never goes down, right? They're Google.

Talk about the one unexpected thing on the Internet.

IronChefMorimoto
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qos1

join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA

1 edit

reply to november88
Seem's DNS related, gmail.google.com won't resolve anyone have a IP for it?



markwp2001
Spreadhead
Premium
join:2002-05-25
Long Beach, MS

reply to markwp2001

said by markwp2001:

down here also
back up now
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storm64007
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Freeport, NY

main page up but gmail still down here



Skipdawg
The Original
Premium,ExMod 2001-03
join:2001-04-19
Mount Vernon, WA

reply to november88
So far I can get to all but groups, news and gmail. Weird!



Edit This
Premium
join:2001-05-08
kudos:6

reply to november88
It's back up!!!!!! God save the Queen!!!!
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koitsu
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:14

1 edit

reply to november88
This is not for the technically squeamish; those who know what I'm doing will know exactly what's failing and why. :-)

$ dig any groups-beta.google.com.
{snip}
;; ANSWER SECTION:
groups-beta.google.com. 5M IN CNAME groups-beta.l.google.com.

$ dig any groups-beta.l.google.com.
{snip}
;; ANSWER SECTION:
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN MX 40 groupsmx.google.com.

I see no A record being reported. Hmm, let's ask the actual nameservers themselves, shall we?

$ dig ns groups-beta.l.google.com @ns4.google.com
{snip}
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
l.google.com. 1D IN NS a.l.google.com.
l.google.com. 1D IN NS b.l.google.com.
l.google.com. 1D IN NS c.l.google.com.
l.google.com. 1D IN NS e.l.google.com.

$ dig a groups-beta.l.google.com @a.l.google.com
{snip}
;; ANSWER SECTION:
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.104
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.99
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.147
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.103

$ dig a groups-beta.l.google.com @b.l.google.com
{snip}
;; ANSWER SECTION:
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.104
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.99
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.147
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.103

$ dig a groups-beta.l.google.com @c.l.google.com
{snip}
;; ANSWER SECTION:
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.104
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.99
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.147
groups-beta.l.google.com. 5M IN A 216.239.57.103

$ dig a groups-beta.l.google.com @e.l.google.com

; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> a groups-beta.l.google.com @e.l.google.com
; Bad server: e.l.google.com -- using default server and timer opts
{snip}

Hmm, no A record for e.l.google.com? That'd mean 1 out of 4 requests would fail (randomly, based upon DNS cache and expiries). Let's check:

$ dig a e.l.google.com.

; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> a e.l.google.com.
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 30280
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUERY SECTION:
;; e.l.google.com, type = A, class = IN

Looks to me like Google broke their own DNS zones. Querying their nameservers DIRECTLY for e.l.google.com works -- I get an A record back -- but going through normal means, I don't.

So, my guess is that someone forgot to increase the serial number when changing zones, the hostmaster updated the zones but forgot to toss in an A record for e.l.google.com initially (then later updated the zones, but haven't been updated in peoples' DNS cache tables because the queries for e.l.google.com failing are already cached and wont de-cache until the expiry is reached), or there's something majorly screwed with their DNS setup entirely.

In English: all of the above basically says that 1 out of 4 DNS requests will fail, until DNS caches everywhere are flushed, or newer records are pulled down from Google's nameservers. If anyone wants to try calling Google directly and asking (yeah, they might actually tell you if a mistake was made, believe it or not), be my guest: 650-253-0000.

Hope this helps, FWIW...

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TeMerc

join:2004-01-22
Phoenix, AZ

reply to november88
Heres 2 links I got:

»www.maltatoday.com.mt/2005/04/10/t10.html

»www.webbedenvironments.com/2004/···-out.php
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Bigman68
Bigger Is Better

join:2000-12-07
West Haven, CT

Those are old links. Try this:
»www.engadget.com/entry/1234000610042620/



koitsu
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:14

That engadget.com link implies a DNS-related issue, or possibly a DNS cache poisoning ordeal (this has become a HUGE focus in the past couple of weeks, as people have actually begun doing it on a wide scale).

I refuse to believe Google's actual content servers were compromised. It's too bad someone couldn't post the A record they were getting for www.google.com when they got those results...
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Making life hard for others since 1977. In memory of 2005...



Skipdawg
The Original
Premium,ExMod 2001-03
join:2001-04-19
Mount Vernon, WA

reply to november88
Everything looks to be back up and running smoothly from here.
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norwegian
Premium
join:2005-02-15
Outback

reply to november88
google.aust seems ok from my limited acct

google dot com dot us seems to have a dns error from here



fegul
Premium
join:2004-08-23
united state
kudos:1

reply to november88
Google and G-mail working here



addp009
Premium
join:2003-03-08
Markham, ON

reply to november88
My DNS resovles through the root servers.... I didn't even realize the outage until i come here.
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