Kaj17
join:2000-11-17
Playa Del Rey, CA
| Setting up DI-524 as an access point or bridge
I was wondering if this is possible. I already have a router and would just like to use this router as an AP or bridge. What do I have to do in the firmware settings to do this? It is possible? thank you
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Basher13
join:2004-05-02
Beverly Hills, CA | It could get tricky, depending on DSL modem/Internet
gateway you have, but it all depends on what is
the other router you have, regarding what IP's to use. |
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Robb
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| reply to Kaj17
Yes, here is what it should look like:
1. Don't use the WAN port. Connect the two routers from LAN port to LAN port
2. Turn off the DI-524's DHCP server
3. On Home > LAN, give the DI-524 an IP in your existing router's LAN network space
4. Ignore the other functionality (such as firewall, logs, and etc.)
5. All the other set up is the same
Anything connecting to the DI-524, via LAN port or wireless, will use your other router for DHCP, firewall, and net access.
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letterboy
join:2005-05-10
|  reply to Kaj17
Thx
hey , i am figuring out of this also
can you tell me more about on the step of:
On Home > LAN, give the DI-524 an IP in your existing router's LAN network space
what does it mean??DNS Server ip setting or Static Route pool?Where can i enter ip for it?thank you. |
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Kaj17
join:2000-11-17
Playa Del Rey, CA
| reply to funchords
Thank you for the reply. The problem is that I cannot connect the two routers with wires. They have to somehow communicate/link with each other wirelessly. Is there any way that I could make the DI-524 repeat/bridge the signal from the router that is connected to the DSL modem and is assigning the IP's? I can assign the DI-524 an IP on the existing router's LAN network space, but when I disable the DHCP server, it doesn't let me access the router any more. So I end up having to reset the DI-524 back to it's original settings.
I think the main problem is that the routers aren't connected from LAN port to LAN port; instead, they need to be wirelessly connected. Any help? Thanks
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Robb
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| said by Kaj17  : Is there any way that I could make the DI-524 repeat/bridge the signal from the router that is connected to the DSL modem and is assigning the IP's? No. But you can buy a wireless bridge or gaming adapter and connect it to a LAN port of the non-wireless router. That will provide the wireless connectivity between the two routers.
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said by letterboy :Thx hey , i am figuring out of this also can you tell me more about on the step of: On Home > LAN, give the DI-524 an IP in your existing router's LAN network space what does it mean??DNS Server ip setting or Static Route pool?Where can i enter ip for it?thank you. It means that the DI-524 should have an address that is part of the network that is on the inside of your existing router. For example, if your wired router has a WAN IP of 65.0.3.55 and a LAN IP of 192.168.1.1, then your wireless router should have a LAN IP of 192.168.1.xxx.
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Kaj17
join:2000-11-17
Playa Del Rey, CA
| do you think a repeater would best the best solution in my situation? I have been searching a lot the past few days and saw the DHL-G710, which is d-link's repeater for wireless G. What do you think about this router? Also, I have 2 more questions before I buy it.
1. Do you know what is the antenna connector type? Is it SMA? I would like to replace the default antenna with another higher powered antenna.
2. Do you know what is the function of the ethernet port on the back of the repeater? Is it
only for configuration? I was wondering if I could connect a switch/hub to the ethernet port on the repeater so I could extend the network not only wirelessly but also wired through the ethernet port on the repeater?
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| I'm not big on the repeater solution. It cuts your throughput by more than half. I'm more bullish on better antennas.
The antenna connector is reverse-SMA.
I don't know the answer to your final question, but you can check-out the manuals and install guides on the d-link support site.
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EOMbb
join:2004-03-25
San Francisco, CA
| reply to Kaj17
To: Kaj17
In answer to your Question #2, I have never seen a reliable specification from any manufacturer of these inexpensive bridges which answers the question of whether or not a switch behind the bridge is supported.
Some bridges will permit that and others won't; some firmware on a given bridge will permit it and an earlier (or later) firmware on the same bridge won't. The only way to know for certain is to try it.
Further, the encryption you select will also affect the support of a switch. For example, a switch may work with WEP or no encryption, but will NOT work with more advanced encryption (partly because of the limitations of the encryption scheme and partly because of improper implementation within the bridge).
I know that this does not answer your question, but I thought you should know that there is no general specification you can consult which will answer your question. |
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Seaboogers
join:2004-11-01
Sarasota, FL
| reply to Kaj17
said by Kaj17 :2. Do you know what is the function of the ethernet port on the back of the repeater? Is it only for configuration? I was wondering if I could connect a switch/hub to the ethernet port on the repeater so I could extend the network not only wirelessly but also wired through the ethernet port on the repeater? Generally a "repeater" can also function as a Wireless Access Point (WAP) when hard wired to a router. That's along with configuring the device is the reason there is an ethernet port on the back of the device.
As for a switch or hub....I've used a Dlink DWL-900AP+ in "Client Mode" then slapped a switch on it for multiple computers and it worked fine...this isn't to say it will work with everything though...this is just my experience with the DWL-900AP+ |
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rperkin
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edit:
May 17th, @07:41AM
| Sorry to intrude guys...
A Repeater *is* an access point. What that means is that other stations (wireless clients) can associate with it. It's a 'special' kind of access point in that it receives transmissions from another access point (defined by the MAC address used as the BSSID) and re-transmits them.
While it is doing this, (in general) it can't perform other wireless functions. [Aside: Since consumer class devices have a single radio, this is the cause of the 'cut throughput by half' referred to by funchords. The device must first listen, then re-transmit]
The DWL-G710 is a 'Range Extender', ie a Repeater. To the best of my knowledge, the Ethernet port is for configuring only. The device cannot act as both a Repeater and a transparent wireless bridge (which is the function you are looking for) at the same time.
The D-Link multi-mode access points referred to by Seaboogers also do one thing at a time. If you configure them as an access point, that's what they do. Configure them as a wireless client / AP client, that's what they do. Configure them as a repeater, that's what they do. And so on for point-to-point bridge, multipoint bridge.
I have *never* seen any vendor advertise the fact that such a device (a wireless client / AP client, or Ethernet - wireless bridge) can support multiple devices behind a switch.
However, many multi-mode devices can do. The clue is whether they have a Repeater mode. Why? Because Repeater mode is implemented using WDS, Wireless Distribution System. Although WDS is described in IEEE 802.11 it is not defined in sufficient unambiguous detail to allow complete standardisation. That means that implementations from different vendors may differ, and even product from the same vendor may differ. There is however an IEEE task group standardising this as part of the work on mesh networks, which will form IEEE 802.11s
WDS implementations allow for four MAC addresses within a MAC frame. This caters for both the original sender and final receiver, and also the MAC addresses of devices on an intermediate transmission hop. So in the case of a device behind a switch, this would be the original sender address, and the wireless client device would be one a transmitter on the intermediate hop. Clear as mud?
I can confirm Seaboogers' report about the DWL-900AP+ - I have several of these used in this way. I can also confirm that the DWL-G810+ and DWL-2100AP work well. However there is usually a limit of 32 MAC addresses which can be handled, and of course there is also the issue of bandwidth across the wireless link to the 'root' access point.
Although you have mentioned the DWL-G710 explicitly, if you really need a repeater, my recommendation would be to go for a multi-mode access point such as the DWL-2100AP. For a few $ more, you get a lot more functionality...
If you can get away without using a repeater, do so. If you can't, try using two devices back-to-back, one configured as a wireless client, the other as an access point. This will avoid some of the serious performance hit you will get from using a repeater.
For more info on all of this, see this article:
»www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-···le78.php
Hope this helps
EDIT: Just had a browse of the manual for the DWL-G710. It appears to select the 'root' access point using the SSID (= network name) rather than the BSSID (= MAC address). How it would cope with a network like mine which has many access points with the same SSID (an ESS = Extended Service Set) I don't know... Anyone? |
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Basher13
join:2004-05-02
Beverly Hills, CA | I would try out this device:
»www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=346
It can work as an AP, or as a wireless to ethernet
bridge, or as a wireless router .... |
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Wooky
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I'm thinking of trying this since my DI524 keeps soft-rebooting.  My machines are on a 192.168.0.0 network. Suppose I set my dsl-modem/router as 192.168.0.200, and the DI-524 as 192.168.0.100. Which one should be the gateway? I guess I loose access to all firewall/virtual server features and other goodies from the DI524 this way huh? I should have got a Linksys.  |
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Robb
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| said by Wooky:
Suppose I set my dsl-modem/router as 192.168.0.200, and the DI-524 as 192.168.0.100. Which one should be the gateway? 192.168.0.200
You won't use the 192.168.0.100 for anything except to configure the DI-524.
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