bexxxx
@comcast.net
| [Help Me] DGL-4300 dying under heavy use?
Okay I'm getting sick of my 4300, I bought it because it was slightly cheaper than building a m0n0wall router (bsd based).
Reason I wanted the 4300 was the priority queueing. Usually I have bittorrent running 24/7, however when I talk on my voip phone or play ut2k4 I want that traffic to get through soon as possible... also I would like even web traffic to not be affected by BT in the background.
So with the 4300 I put ut2k4 and phone at 10 priority, web is at 80 ftp 120 BT/emule is 250... theres alot of other stuff in there, I put teamspeak (voice com for games) at like 50.. anyways.
My cable modem can upload ~35k, BT is always limited to at least 25K.
If BT is going and I play ut or talk on the phone, eventually everything will get disconnected.
I will be talkin on the phone and all of a sudden the other person will go "hello?" and be a pause and they hangup, they cannot hear me talking.
Playing UT everything will start sliding on my screen except I can hear what is going on and see messages about hwat is going on for ~10 seconds and then I get offically disconnected.
Voice com in games very simialr to the voip phone, i can hear poeple talk for a bit but they cannot hear me.
torrents, the upload and download will both fall to 0.
After a few seconds everything works again perfectly.
Whats the problem? Things like IRC however do not get disconnected, its not like the router is dropping all the connections at least... when you restart the firewall windows will go "network cable unplugged" for a seocnd and then come back... when my stuff gets messed up that doesn't happen, so I don't think the router is resetting itself somehow. Nothing ever happened like this before i got the 4300, so I doubt its my cable modem or isp somehow.
Any suggestions?
Few other things, does not matter how many connections BT makes, I limit it to 200 overall and that doesn't stop anything, last night it only had 30 connections open and i was getting disconnected from ut every 20 min or so.
Old firmwares it happened as does newest 1.3, no effect.
Usuaually if I limit BT to 15K or 10K it doesn't happen for while, last night I had it limited to 5K up and it kept happening ever 20 min or so, if i leave it at 25K up it'll happen within a few minutes sometimes... if i let it got to 30K or so sometimes it will happen. |
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Talon88
The One
join:2003-08-13
Toronto
 ·Bell Sympatico
edit:
May 13th, @07:02PM
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Sorry to hear but it's not really 4300 problem.
The main problem is due to Cable internet is sucks.
Upload @ 35k is not really enough for VOIP already,
VOIP is a joke for Cable's slim upload speed & High Delay
when you really USE the conection. (Try ping when you
are BT'ing & you'll know what I mean)
And you are doing other high bandwidth task like
game & BT. Of Cause, the Cable connection go dead.
Maybe DSL is your solution.....!
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bexxxxxxxx
@comcast.net
| reply to bexxxx
Maybe I wasn't clear when i say 35k I mean Kilobytes/sec... voip should take like 1/3 of that at most (only when I'm talking)... vonage normal quality is 128kbits/sec
Also the phone works fine, unless BT is going.. and even pings are fine when BT is open, I'm in CA nad most ut servers are TX and i ping ~80... the only problem is eventually it'll disconnect.
Of corse it would go dead? wthell why? that doens't even make any sense.
Anyways I think I fixed it acutally lol... after 2 months of just closeing BT heh. When i first set it up, my voip modem could not establish a connection. After searching I found something that said turn off one of thse "speal applications" and turn off dynamic fragmentation. I tried that and voip modem made connections and yea. I tried turning it on now and voip modem made a conneciton no problem heh. Nothing else changed heh.
Not only does dynamic fragmentation work now, but all disconects are gone. I can leave BT at my max upload, phone and ut work fine (no delays at all). I don't know what queueing algorithum they use but it does not work with dynamic fragmentation turned off. Which shouldn't be.. spliting packets should only decrese delay slightly, and certianly not starve a connection long enough it disconnects. Either their queueing algothum is worht crap or there is some bug somewhere. Funny too xbox live doens't work with dynamic fragmentation on either, i'd think they would test it more with dynamic fragmetnation off.
Whatever I don't even care anymore. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| reply to Talon88
said by Talon88  :Sorry to hear but it's not really 4300 problem. The main problem is due to Cable internet is sucks. Upload @ 35k is not really enough for VOIP already, VOIP is a joke for Cable's slim upload speed & High Delay when you really USE the conection. (Try ping when you are BT'ing & you'll know what I mean) And you are doing other high bandwidth task like game & BT. Of Cause, the Cable connection go dead. Maybe DSL is your solution.....! Damn dude lay off the crack. 'Cable' has nothing to do with this, rather, it is the ISP itself. My cable ISP offers cable connections with 640kbit/s and 1Mbit/s uplink speeds. The DSL providers offer 640, but nowhere near 1Mbit/s. Latency on a utilized connection is going to be the same, regardless of the transport type. In addition, no consumer-level DSL is going to be full duplex, so you're stuck with the same traffic handling as cable. In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. Now... to attempt to PROPERLY address the issue...
Have you tried setting VoIP to the highest priority, and letting everything else use the auto-configured rules? If VoIP still dies with a QoS setting of the highest priority, then you know you're outright using too much bandwidth that even QoS can't make work any better. QoS is there to assist, and all traffic still must go through at some point or another, even if another process (read: VoIP) requires more bandwidth than it is willing to share. Try giving your VoIP a priority of 1, and then assign everything else on the network a priority of 255 or use the auto rules. See what happens. If that doesn't help, you're just trying to squeeze too much bandwidth through too small a pipe, and QoS is unable to do a thing for you.
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gord27
join:2005-05-01
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to bexxxx
exact same thing happens to me. with my old di604 and my new dgl4300. the net connection stays cause the ip doesn't change. the router just seems to hang for a few seconds and then the connection thing pops up that i'm disconnected and then right away reconnected. seems to happen only when i set unlimited upload in azureus. if i cap it at 40 (my max is 60ish) then it's fine. 50k causes the same to happen as if i unlimit it. it's definately a router issue cause it's happened in two different cities for me. but it happens with different routers too. i was hoping the dgl would fix it happening. oh yea and it happens on my old linksys bsfr... whatever that model is. so anyway it seems to be a problem that can't be fixed. oh yea and it happens if i'm downloading full as well. just not as often. btw, in the different cities i've been on different speed connections though both DSL. it ONLY happens when i'm maxxing out the available bandwidth, whatever that happens to be. there's got to be a router setting that can fix this. |
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Basher13
join:2004-05-02
Beverly Hills, CA | Sounds like your antivirus software is corrupted...
I would remove it, and use a registry cleaner, for
example. |
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gord27
join:2005-05-01
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by Basher13 :Sounds like your antivirus software is corrupted... I would remove it, and use a registry cleaner, for example. ? |
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DragonFire
join:2000-07-15
Cedar Hill, MO
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :Damn dude lay off the crack. 'Cable' has nothing to do with this, rather, it is the ISP itself. My cable ISP offers cable connections with 640kbit/s and 1Mbit/s uplink speeds. The DSL providers offer 640, but nowhere near 1Mbit/s. Latency on a utilized connection is going to be the same, regardless of the transport type. In addition, no consumer-level DSL is going to be full duplex, so you're stuck with the same traffic handling as cable. In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. Now... to attempt to PROPERLY address the issue...
UMMM....You have no idea either. Some DSL providers do in fact offer 786-1000Kbps for the upload side. Its also a fact that DSL is lower ping times all around because DSL is not shared as cable is. Of course it all depends on where you live but I know a few people that have seen 56k speeds in the evening because everyone in the nighborhood is online downloading torrents and what not. My DSL line has gone down twice in the last year and was back up both times with in 30 mins, can you say that about cable? Oh yeah, I have been enjoying 6016/608 speeds for a year and half now, how many cable providers were offering 5Mbps or more a year and half ago? To show that cable really sucks, cable networks could offer 100Mbps or more to its users today but they rather milk there users to death first at the slowest speeds possible. |
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Tsume
My little Toby.
join:2004-02-23
Winter Park, FL | reply to bexxxx
I wish the mods would ban the off-topic cable/dsl fanbois here.
DSL and Cable both suck equally. Live with it.
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anon7007
@rr.com | reply to gord27
gord27, you must not have read his 2nd post in this thread. He fixed his problem.
I also own this router and its definitely the best router I have owned. I've also never experienced these problems. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to DragonFire
said by DragonFire :UMMM....You have no idea either. Some DSL providers do in fact offer 786-1000Kbps for the upload side. Its also a fact that DSL is lower ping times all around because DSL is not shared as cable is. DSL is shared once you get to the CO. Oh wow, you have a dedicated pipe from your home to the DSLAM. Big deal, a lot of good that'll do when the pipe from the CO to the ISP POP is congested to hell. Bye bye ping times, too.
said by DragonFire :Of course it all depends on where you live but I know a few people that have seen 56k speeds in the evening because everyone in the nighborhood is online downloading torrents and what not. I've had the same thing happen with DSL when the pipe from my CO that served half of the entire city was congested. I dealt with 1200ms pings for about three months before I got fed up and went back to dialup before I moved. Technology has nothing to do with it, implementation does.
said by DragonFire :My DSL line has gone down twice in the last year and was back up both times with in 30 mins, can you say that about cable? Oh yeah, I have been enjoying 6016/608 speeds for a year and half now, how many cable providers were offering 5Mbps or more a year and half ago? My cable never goes down, and I had 5500/640 well over a year and a half ago. Again, you're talking about ISP specifics, and not about the technology itself.
said by DragonFire :To show that cable really sucks, cable networks could offer 100Mbps or more to its users today but they rather milk there users to death first at the slowest speeds possible. The telco can too. Again, this goes to implementation. Your point?
My point, however, is that DSL and cable are both the same thing - consumer level broadband services that, all things being equal, perform pretty much the same. Blindly telling someone to switch from cable to DSL is a stupid thing to do. End of Story.
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Basher13
join:2004-05-02
Beverly Hills, CA
| Bottom line: DSL is much more private and secure
(due to frequent changes in IP address) however,
cable broadband smashes DSL for overall performance,
in terms of brute speed, ( up and down ) coupled with
running servers, gaming, xbox, etc. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by Basher13 :Bottom line: DSL is much more private and secure (due to frequent changes in IP address) however, cable broadband smashes DSL for overall performance, in terms of brute speed, ( up and down ) coupled with running servers, gaming, xbox, etc. Again, that comes down to implementation. I could have DSL with a static IP address, or cable that has IP addresses that renew every 7 days. It's all up to the ISP.
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gord27
join:2005-05-01
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to anon7007
said by anon7007:
gord27, you must not have read his 2nd post in this thread. He fixed his problem.
I also own this router and its definitely the best router I have owned. I've also never experienced these problems.
so he turned two settings off and then on again and it fixed all his issues? or is he not using special applications. it was hard to understand what he was saying. |
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IceWindius
join:2004-03-11
Montana
edit:
May 20th, @12:10PM
| Firmware 1.3 and not a single crash on my 4300. My POS DSL modem on the other hand...... |
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ironeagle
join:2005-05-15
79205
| reply to bexxxx
Hi, I had similar problems with the 4300.
Are you using PPTP to connect?
I was connected with PPTP to an Alcatel ADSL modem, and after a few seconds of file transfers, I got disconected with the comment:
"The remote PPTP access concentrator is slow to respond. There may be connectivity problems."
I am still in the process of checking it out, but it looks that if I change to a PPPoE modem from ECI, the problems are gone.
Good luck |
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ironeagle
join:2005-05-15
79205
| reply to bexxxx
DGL-4300 dying under heavy use?
Ok, After a lot of searching with D-link (no help there) and other tech support foroms, I finaly found the answer with my phone company.
It seems that D-link don't have good support for PPTP protocols, and they received a lot of complaints about PPTP modems not working with D-Link routers, such as the Alcatel ADSL modem.
The phone company said that they received many complaints and it has to do with poor support for the PPTP protocol, and If I was to switch to a PPPOE based modem, the problems should be solved.
Sure enough, when switching to a PPPOE protocol based modem the problems were solved and I'm finnaly working with the gigalan and high speed internet I wanted.
D-link have no idea of this problem, and from what I understand, they aren't going to work on the support for the PPTP protocol, since it's a reletive old protocol.
Hope this helps for all those that are searching for solutions. |
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kareshi
join:2003-03-17
Markham, ON | reply to bexxxx
Re: [Help Me] DGL-4300 dying under heavy use?
gord27, can you explain what you did to fix your problem? i am having the exact same problem too... |
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IceWindius
join:2004-03-11
Montana | Decent quality ISP's shouldnt' be using PPTP, its simply to old and unreliable for todays standards and demands. |
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Jultomten
@comhem.se | reply to bexxxx
I have 24mbit download and 10mbit upload useing cabel, im in sweden. |
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