Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | reply to schipperke
Re: 2.53 on DLINK CANADA?
You do know that there is more then just loading the firmware on the router don't you Schipperke? 2.28 has some problems that 2.5x has fixed.
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sprog123
join:2001-12-18
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said by hqh51  :On my note of progress, I've had a chance to buy a Linksys WRT54GS v2 router at Staples to replace my everlasting DI-624 rev C1 router. Got it for inexpensive price (~$45 after rebate and coupons). I will now turn my attention towards Linksys WRT54GS. I can deal with slower wireless throughput, compromising a bit of additional stability and programmable features. I have yet to have the full time to play with my new router, but rest assured, it's performing very well with DD-WRT firmware. Firmware 2.53 killed static turbo. Dynamic turbo kicks in long after a big transfer is going, probably like more than 10 seconds or so into the transfer, but the turbo cuts in and out. Perhaps the channel bonding was a great idea, but too much interference around channel 6. I upgraded from my solid trusty DI-624 rev C2 to a DI-784 to get the SuperA with Turbo mode. From where I am in my apartment complex, I can see about 15 other 11b/g APs around, with most of them on Channel 6 default out of the box. Who knows how many 2.4GHz cordless phones or Bluetooh devices are around.
Now, with SuperA Turbo mode, I have static channel bonding turned on all the time, have plenty of channels to choose from to use it (not that it matters, since no one else around me has 11a  ), and I'm now back to a solid ~50mbps real throughput (I used to get this speed in 11g on my DI-624 back when I lived at my old place, and there were no 11b/g APs around... sigh).
Also, the DI-784 does SuperG and SuperA concurrently, so while the rest of my roommates can still use the 11g connection, I get the SuperA Turbo all to myself at the same time with no performance hit!
The icing on the cake, I got it from Fry's a few weeks ago for $45 after a $20 mail-in rebate. It's been rock solid so far, the only reboots I've had in the last two weeks were intentional due to settings changes and playing around with it.
As the ultimate test, I used my wired desktop computer to Remote Desktop into my laptop with full resolution and 24-bit color. I then streamed a Quicktime movie file off the desktop for playback onto the laptop... through the Remote Desktop connection, and it was SMOOTH! The audio was a bit delayed only because once it comes through the Remote Desktop, there's no guarantee of any sort of time synchronization in the RDP protocol I'm aware of. I watched the downstream data from the desktop to the wireless 11a laptop go up with the size of the video files, while the upstream data from the laptop to the desktop went way way up due to the raw video forwarding of the remote desktop connection. After having this connection up for a few minutes, the upstream data easily surpassed 1GB, and by eyeballing the upstream byte counter, it was easily in the 50-60mbps range.
I'm a happy camper. For those of you who have ditched the DI-624 to go to a Linksys, and for those of you who have ditched the Linksys to come to a DI-624, and for those of you who say both D-Link and Linksys are terrible, perhaps it's time to think about how crowded 2.4GHz is around your neighborhood. There's no need to give up throughput at a similar price point. I hope Fry's runs this deal again soon, so I can pick up a few more for my friends and family.
I should add all my tests were with WPA encryption turned on, which is even more amazing. |
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schipperke
join:1999-11-29
Potomac, MD
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said by Greg_Z :You do know that there is more then just loading the firmware on the router don't you Schipperke? 2.28 has some problems that 2.5x has fixed. Really? All I can say is that the 2.28 connects with a good signal in the vanilla mode, while 2.53 gives me a very weak signal and no internet connection. The wireless values were set the same in both versions. I should have not left Linksys because of "cosmetic" ugliness  D-Link has no QoS, or logging via SNMP, why? For $50 you can get the linky and a plethora of third party firmware that really makes it nice.
There are so many firmware "fixes" for the D-Link, kind of a red flag don't you think? |
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randalla
join:2004-04-15
South San Francisco, CA | schipperke,
What drivers are you using? The Atheros driver made a big difference for me. The Dlink drivers were nothing but trouble. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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| Not to mention that the signal quality was reported "Low" in windows and really high on the D-Link driver... When I switched it to Atheros it started reporting it right in the driver and in Windows [the signal actually was pretty good- the dlink driver lied to windows].
Firmware 2.52+ has WMM QoS. |
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by Tsume :Not to mention that the signal quality was reported "Low" in windows and really high on the D-Link driver... When I switched it to Atheros it started reporting it right in the driver and in Windows [the signal actually was pretty good- the Dlink driver lied to windows]. Firmware 2.52+ has WMM QoS. I wonder what version of the Atheros driver I'd use for My DWL-G520 H/W: B3 F/W: 4.10 card?
As earlier today as I tried to refresh a page and the v3.18 D-Link driver did a BSOD on Me.
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| reply to Tsume
Never mind, I just tried the Atheros IBM 4.0.100.140 drivers and while They did work, It was only at 54Mbps and not at 108Mbps that My DWL-G520 (H/W: B3 F/W: 4.10) card can do. I might later try the Atheros 4.0.0.167 driver and see If It can do 108Mbps Otherwise I'm stuck using the D-Link 4.0.0.1414 drivers(v3.18).
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Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL
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| reply to Tsume
After one day of running 2.53 on my DI-624 it came off. Biggest reason is that the WPA key would not be recognized, the other is crash recovery did not solve rebooting.
Only diff between 2.50 and 2.53 is WPA-PSK2, WMM QOS, and the telling if half or Full Duplex. Otherwise staying with 2.50.
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Bwuutje
join:2005-01-10 | The option of selecting AES for use with WPA(1) is another (important) difference, included somewhere between 2.50 and 2.53 I think, in 2.53 it's gone again (Well, its still used in WPA2 of-course.)
Bwuutje. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN | reply to zoom314
Sounds like D-Link- their drivers for the DWL-G650 regularly BSoD my dad's laptop running Win2k.
Have you had any luck with the 4.0.0.167 drivers? |
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zoom314
Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by Tsume :Sounds like D-Link- their drivers for the DWL-G650 regularly BSoD my dad's laptop running Win2k. Have you had any luck with the 4.0.0.167 drivers? No, I've been busy getting My 2nd PC back up and working as I changed the motherboard, drives, fans and cards into a semi-new case as the old case was too hard to get into and had a stripped screw on the PCI card hold down bar(It used 2 screws for that and You needed to fiddle with a 3rd screw to open the door just to install or remove a card). Now It's much easier to deal with as each card has a screw of It's own and the door is a latch. I had to reinstall drivers set the Bios, It's running at 2.35GHz as a test, It had run at 2.34GHz before and so I want to see what the temps will be like as this place is cooled with only 1 swamp cooler and that PC has 4-80mm fans(3-75cfm and 1 is unknown and really not needed except for light in the room at night) and 2-120mm fans([1-150cfm exhaust] and [1-130cfm cpu]).
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RobRedBeard
| reply to sprog123
In reference to using 11a:
That's a good escape hatch from the 2.4ghz crunch, for well, as long as it takes everyone to go down and get 11a. It's not a long term solution to bandwidth issues.
In reference to 624 stability:
I have a DI-624 Cx. It's been stable and never had a reboot issue since the day I got it. It's run 2.42, 2.50 & 2.52b60 firms.
In reference to Turbo mode causing slowness:
That's nuts; for me it has always caused quickness and lots of it.
Why they're taking static turbo out:
Because, just over a year ago, Broadcom discovered that the channel bonding mode of the Atheros chipsets causes them to overrun EVERY channel on the 2.4gHz band. Usually, channels 1, 6, & 11 are non-overlapping (well, at least with enough volume to have usable signals). When the bonding portion of Turbo is on, the combined signal width overlaps 1 & 11 when the datalink is pushing full bandwidth. All this translates to Atheros devices with Turbo scramble the 11G compliant signals of Broadcom devices withing 60-100 feet. Atheros' answer was "Dynamic Turbo." Apparently, WIFI is getting on their asses about leaving static turbo in.
My thoughts on this:
Hrm. I really want QOS. But more than WMM, or wireless QOS, I want beefy band shaping that allows my VoIP connection to remain intact when I send an email, or anything that uses a little of my 768K uplink. There is only one residential router that does this right now, that's the Linksys w/ Sevesoft's Firmware.
Finally, I run static-turbo. It's fast, yeah. But really just because my notebook's (Compaq 1830) audio circuitry (ESS Solo) "plays" the wireless signal. Yup. 11b goes plop plop plop as it works. 11g makes a faster bpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpbp sound. Turbo - dead silent. So noise. That's why I use it. Lol. My secret it out.
So now, I've gotta choose between new features (my wireless works fine when it can get IP's from the router, my only problem) and the obnoxious farting noise 802.11g makes when using my notebook.
Here's the real solution as I see it:
-Make turbo modes that bond 1 5Ghz channel with 1 2.4Ghz. Make it so any of the channels can be cross-bonded. Why the hell arn't they doing this now? (or are they?)
-Better QOS and planned use of wireless signals (that's what they are working on with 802.11e)
-MIMO : to have made such an understated appearance, MIMO technology is pretty crazy-go-nuts in its ability to make sense of reflection noise, etc. It really is something special (though I know little of its current use in dlink devices).
-Now that wireless networks have an UBER-ridiculous level of security, focus on better compression of both signal and protocol data.
Argh.
Red Beard (rob) |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
·Embarq
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| reply to Tsume
For some reason, whenever any type of turbo is engaged, it runs very slowly, almost dialup-like.
I can see all of the frames being recieved with errors on my laptop. That's nuts, no one around me has any wireless networks, out microwave was off and our phone is 5GHz. |
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Mokmo
join:2005-02-03
Saint-Georges, QC | reply to Tsume
Upgraded to 2.53, lost settings
after resetting all... i got a full disconnect every 3-4 minutes...
just switched back to 2.50... it'll stay there for now |
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irwand
join:2005-05-27
Lubbock, TX
| reply to Tsume
I tried upgrading to this firmware, and I can't get IP address using WPA nor WPA2. So I'm back on 2.50 now. crap.. I'm not happy with this router (DI-624 rev C3), since I've wasted a lot of time just trying to make it not reboot so much.. I'm very tempted to switch to Linksys WRT54G thing. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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| reply to Mokmo
said by Mokmo :i got a full disconnect every 3-4 minutes... funchords wpa fix
1. Change your SSID to something completely new (never used before, this is important)
2. Unplug power to your router
3. Reboot your wireless computers
4. Plug in your router
5. Set up your computers to the new SSID
WHY THIS WORKS: Setting up a new SSID causes the clients to create a new, clean, and correct profile for the access point.
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PeteSL
@mlsatx.dfwai
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I upgraded (using crash recovery) with no reboot problems so far. I do not use turbo mode. I do not use channel 6. I am running a C model. I have upgraded the power supply from the supplied wall wart to a 5 amp 5 volt supply from Fry's which is much more stable. I use WPA against a Linux FreeRADIUS server authenticating against a Windows 2003 active directory (and it works!).
I do have one apparent problem: a video conference with Windows Messenger 5.1 (corporate version of MSN Messenger) does not supply either video or audio (random) to the other end. It always supplies one of them and it always supplies sound on an audio conference. I would expect a problem with the inbound audio and/or video, but not the outbound. Especially since one or the other always gets through. |
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Bwuutje
join:2005-01-10 | Does it happen always with everybody ? Or just with one person or so who is behind a certain firewall too.....then maybe its not your setup but the other persons...
Bwuutje. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN | reply to PeteSL
Pete, try toggling the WMM QoS function on or off [whatever it's not set to right now] and see if it fixes it.
You may also wish to try toggling the gaming mode option on or off. |
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PeteSL
@mlsatx.dfwai
| This is through wire-side so I didn't fiddle with WMM (it is disabled, however). I did disable Game Mode with no affect. This connection worked with 2.42 which is puzzling because they are not hearing/seeing me; I would normally guess the problem would be at the other end in this case. I did find that I could reproduce the problem intermittently with just audio as well.
I appreciate the help.
Pete |
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