DevilOnE
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clubs: | Re: bit torrent Here's another thread on the subject...»Insight and bittorrent?
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| said by DevilOnE  :i am wanting to download Episode III using Azureus and not getting anywhere with it. So i guess Insight is blocking it? any way around? thanks This post just about sums up the argument for blocking BT.
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qos1
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| Re: bit torrent said by BeesTea :said by DevilOnE :i am wanting to download Episode III using Azureus and not getting anywhere with it. So i guess Insight is blocking it? any way around? thanks This post just about sums up the argument for blocking BT. I totally disagree, the reason that insight want's to block it is to lower their infrastructure cost's not police the content...either way IMO is totally unacceptable from Insight.
gilbytucker lol you could have atleast sugar coated it  I think you meant the latest copy of Mandrake you were trying to download  What is your location? | |
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BeesTea
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| Re: bit torrent said by qos1 :the reason that insight want's to block it is to lower their infrastructure cost's not police the content...either way IMO is totally unacceptable from Insight. The reason is to lower their costs, that much you're correct about. But it's not because so many people are using BT. It's because so many people are using BT illegally. Insight is having to take on more costs so that their customer-base can break the law using their service. It makes no sense at all for them to foster that. Essentially, the minority of customers (who have heard of BT at all), who the majority of are infringing on copyright, are driving up costs to support the majority of customers. As a provider, it's in Insight's interest to try and mitigate that cost.
I suspect they've been doing temporary BT blocks to get an idea of how much it's actually costing them. I also suspect that if it's a lot, BT will go away for good from the network.
I know people say "Hey I bought N Mbps of capacity and I should be able to do what I want!" Those folks need to reread their AUP and if they don't agree, lease a trunk from their telco. If you can get Insight, you can get a trunk. There's none of this "Insight is the only provider I can have." Insight gives better than T1 performance for less than $100.00 a month. All you have to do is play by the rules. Want to set your own rules ? Buy your own line.
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
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| Re: bit torrent Yes lowering cost's (infrastructure) is the key...but
be it from linux distro's or "other" content you nor insight can prove that this is what people are using their BT for...and what difference is to Insight??? NONE whatsover...BANDWIDTH+EQUIPMENT=$$$ That is their concern, Insight would be happy if you just browsed a couple websites and sent a couple of email's a day and that is all..
Insight is more than happy to sell you the service BUT when you want to use it is when they have a problem with it...
Downloading Content infringing copyright's vs legal BT use has no additional cost to Insight whatsover I challenge you to show me otherwise...
As a provider it is in Insight's best interest to try (key word most of the time being try) and run a network not police end user morality...
For those that have not noticed bandwidth price's have dropped considerably within the past several year's and will continue to fall...
And no the statement Insight provides better than DS1 performance is only 1/2 true...it is not even close on the upload side of things 384 or 512 != 1544...
And yes I have read the AUP and legally it does cover action's such as these...
IMO If insight can't take the BT they need to
1)Build a better network
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Help4U2
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| Re: bit torrent Downloading Content infringing copyright's vs legal BT use has no additional cost to Insight whatsover I challenge you to show me otherwise... Challenge accepted, whom do you think copyright holders send their subpoenas to? All they send are IP address to an ISP. The ISP is required to have employees look up customer information and inform these customers of what is going on. They must then also send this information back to the copyright holders. The time it takes a person to perform this job costs money.
With legal uses of BT there are no subpoenas based on what is being sent. Therefore there is a cost difference between legal and illegal uses of BT. Challenge accepted and challenge won, have a nice day please drive through. | |
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qos1
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2 edits | Re: bit torrent WoW what a load sh!t..I don't know where to begin..
You mean to tell me that the cost of passing a couple letters on to a customer is signifigant enough to even consider!!?! Gimme a break.
Ok you tell me how much this cost's insight then? And remember you are probably refering to staff that makes not much more than min. wage here...I can make a claim that someone downloaded copyright'd material of mine to any ISP if they downloaded it or not, through BT or not,this is not BT specific...BFD...I am talking of substantial cost's that are worth noting!! not nickle and dime stuff I'm sure Insight loses more money with employee's standing around on smoke breaks...so let's get real here...
Challenge accpeted and challenge lost, Please try again have a nice day bla bla bla | |
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Help4U2
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| Re: bit torrent I like how the challenge rules changed in your last post. You said "BT use has no additional cost to Insight whatsover" I proved it does. Now your new rule is substantial costs. I am not saying it costs a tone of money but it does cost more then 0 which is what you first said to prove. | |
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | Re: bit torrent said by Help4U2:
I like how the challenge rules changed in your last post. You said "BT use has no additional cost to Insight whatsover"
Please if you are going to quote, quote my entire statement not just the fragment you want to pick at and take out of context...
And why don't you post as a registered user?? Kinda trolling huh? | |
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IGGY
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1 edit | Actually this sums up the closed mind thought process of most people who discuss this subject. Yes I'd agree that it's probably pretty stupid to come into a forum that is monitored by your ISP and state your wanting to download a major motion picture. But I think you would in fact be surprised at how many of these downloaders have seen the movie in theatres at least once. Some of these people have seen this latest edition of Star Wars multiple times already. I'm considering going to see it again. I went to a 7:15PM showing last Thursday.
Having a look at the link at the bottom of this article »iggy.gnomeblog.com/blog/_archive···687.html might give you an idea of why I feel many people have closed minds in relation to P2P.
It's more cost effective and logical. To find a way to use the technology for your benefit. Instead of trying to close the technology down. It's been proven that lawsuits and threats aren't going to change the current climate. The RIAA and MPAA instead of ----hing and moaning about things. Should do as they did with the VCR. Figure out a way to use the technology to their economic advantage.
"Help4U2@insightBB.com"
Funny how you don't play fair with your stats. Why not mentioned other countries that offer tons of bandwidth for low cost? Why not mention Insight's competition that does the same. Your argument doesn't hold up to the facts. You also might want to consider registering here - instead of trolling all the time.
Oh and its not only OOL and Asia offering low cost - extremely high speed internet access. Canada comes to mind as a quick example. Verizon fiber while in limited release comes to mind. If you'd like a further list with cost breakdown. I'd be more than happen to once again ( for something like the millionth time ) prove my point.
For the record France has it's head up it's ass about everything. You could have at least mentioned a non moronic country like Australia or Britain to make your point. But for everyone of those countries. There are just as many offering low cost high speed broadband. That makes what most United States providers offer look like 56K. Face it - this country is behind when it comes to the race in regards to technology and broadband.
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| Re: bit torrent said by IGGY :Actually this sums up the closed mind thought process of most people who discuss this subject. Yes I'd agree that it's probably pretty stupid to come into a forum that is monitored by your ISP and state your wanting to download a major motion picture. But I think you would in fact be surprised at how many of these downloaders have seen the movie in theatres at least once. Some of these people have seen this latest edition of Star Wars multiple times already. I'm considering going to see it again. I went to a 7:15PM showing last Thursday. What does having seen the movie have to do with anything ? That's like saying it's surprising how many car thieves have bought a car, or how many counterfeiters have actually earned a dollar.
And how is this guy's silly post a show of how closed minded people who respect copyright are ?
Piracy is piracy, well, except in China.
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| I just polled the first two countries in Europe I thought of. As far as your comment to use a non moronic country like Britain, last I checked Britain is in the UK (The NTL link I provided that was priced in pounds represented the UK). I was also addressing a comment about Europe. OOL, Asia, and Canada are not in Europe last I checked a map. | |
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN | Not really, it sums up why the MPAA is going afterbittorrent, a similar tech is being used by several gamemakers to distribute patches, which is a very legite use. As well as the distribution of many open source projects. | |
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| Re: bit torrent said by Shack :Not really, it sums up why the MPAA is going afterbittorrent, a similar tech is being used by several gamemakers to distribute patches, which is a very legite use. As well as the distribution of many open source projects. Thanks, I'm well aware of what honest uses the protocol has. The point though is that most of the BT traffic online is not for anything legitimate. It's primarily trading of copyrighted material by a few orders of magnitude. I've analyzed it's use in a user-base of about 200,000 people and it's almost all piracy related.
I'm aware of the utopian uses for BT. Sadly, reality is showing otherwise. It's a shame too, as BT is most promising.
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| Sure glad I downloaded that legal Star Wars: Revelations DVD from BT a few weeks ago. Unfortunately I did not download the free extras DVD. 
There's a new trackerless BT network I thought I read about somewhere. Can Insight block that? | |
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA
| No I said legal or illegal content on BT not just BT....I just assumed that most people would be able to understand what I meant to say...
By your def. a call into tech support cost's insight money so for causing issue's to end user's not being able to use BT and having to call into Insight tech support that is in turn costing Insight $$$...your point is moot...
No the rule's haven't changed you just must apply common sense...
Come up with a valid argument and I would like to hear it... | |
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| Insight is ripping off it's customers as it is. Or at least someone on the bandwith supply chain is. They promise us a certain bandwith and then complain when we use it. In several European markets ISPs provide much higher bandwith for the same amount of money. So either someone is trying to inflate their profits or ISPs in Europe stay in business while operating at a huge loss. OK is suppose that the demand for bandwith combined with other economic factors cause it to be more expensive in the US but it doesn't make me feel any better about paying 45 bucks a month for internet. | |
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| Whether or not the technology is used for good or evil, I don't think anybody has a right to shut down P2P networks except for ISP's. They have a direct cost tied to P2P and have a right to control their networks.
Governments and groups like the MPAA or RIAA shouldn't have the right to stop the development or use of technology on a wide scale. Copyright holders have every right to enforce their copyrights by going after pirates.
Right now, those groups are trying to establish their right to shut down technologies based on its use and its economic cost to them. That's wrong.
So... if Insight wants to shut down P2P networks, they can and should do so - but it should only be Insight's call. It should be based on the principles of capitalism and not on pressure from the outside. | |
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join:2004-01-16
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people are being sued for THEORETICAL loss of revenue (and exorbitantly so). If someone downloads the movie and goes to the theater to see it, very little (if any) revenue is lost. Of course, there's always the flip-side, wherein someone watches a bootleg copy and decides not to go see it after that.
Here is the problem. IF one went to the Theater and bought the DVD at a store the studio's get $$ twice. When you are downloading it because you already saw it get are only getting $$ once. Even if it is just a few pennies they are not making it does add up. So the studios go after Insight to find out who is sharing these for download. To scare people from downloading them they have large fines. The fine has no connection to the movie, other than that the movie was downloaded. | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | there is no real point in arguing if its stealing or not. we all cant download since they are blocking it. | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | i am getting it to work right now. Im downloading SW: episode III using Burst! torrent.Its not going fast but its working. | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | well after 12hrs i only have 130mb downloaded. Why is it so slow? at this rate its going it will be sometime next week before its done. | |
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dinzy
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| Try firewalling your BT client. For some reason Azureus messes up my NIC and causes torrents to go yellow.(probably due to how it has many simultaneous torrents going due to low upload speed) Sometimes I get better download speeds when they are yellow. So basically make yourself unconnectable and see if it helps or not. | |
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
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| Re: bit torrent said by dinzy :Try firewalling your BT client. For some reason Azureus messes up my NIC and causes torrents to go yellow.(probably due to how it has many simultaneous torrents going due to low upload speed) Sometimes I get better download speeds when they are yellow. So basically make yourself unconnectable and see if it helps or not. Bad Bad Advice...For one Azureus doesn't "make" your torrent's go yellow, yellow status could be for a couple reason's
1)You are unconnectable
2)You are not seeing connections to both peers and seeds
I don't think there is enough info here to make a decision as to why he is having trouble...
How many seeds/peers where on that torrent?
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | what do you mean by firewalling the BT Client? i using the XP built-in firewall | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | i gave and quit the download. it takes too long | |
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TheOnlyOne
join:2003-04-18 | The BT problem must only be in certain areas, as i've never had any problem with BT. I've found that using Azureus i get better speeds then using any other client.
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | well i tried BitTornado and have better luck with it. I also opened my ports. | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | im gettin 25kB/s using BitTornado. is that a good speed or should i be faster? | |
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| Re: bit torrent said by DevilOnE :im gettin 25kB/s using BitTornado. is that a good speed or should i be faster? That depends, how many seeds and peers are there? Also what do you have your upload set at? | |
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DevilOnE
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Evansville, IN | i messed with firewall settings and started a download at 11:30pm. When i got up at 7am it was already done. the movie file was 1.43gigs. | |
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Winchester, KY | Re: bit torrent episode 3 eh? | |
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Franklin, IN | Re: bit torrent makes you wonder why not just go see it , so if I was a Mpaa ? hound looking for someone to sue I just choose him ?
nothing like self incriminating evidence and I m sure insight would have no problem with customer info | |
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indy0365
join:2001-08-25
Franklin, IN | sw eps 3 I bet thats dvd quality so much for being a smart web surfer | |
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greg112
join:2005-06-01
Louisville, KY | who gives a crap what people are doing on the internet, these people are destroying the internet. We should not be monitored and taken to court as users. | |
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Franklin, IN | Re: bit torrent so how many laws should we break ? as a USER you are agree to the terms of service and some activites may not compabile with the terms of service
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