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give 'em hell, guys!

(or at least take good notes)
It wasn't as hellish as past hearings - only three people testified: me, Don, and someone who's in the middle of a 9 month battle.

Comcast didn't show up, and neither did Starpower, but Verizon did (though VZ didn't testify). Praisner mentioned "for the record" that Starpower plans to send written testimony in favor of the extension.

The other person who testified gave a blow-by-blow account of his "horror story" to date. When his time was up, he noted that there weren't problems in the area where he lived before (where he could get DSL), but he had many problems in his new home where only Comcast was available. He concluded by asking the council to vote in favor of the bill. During his testimony, he said that Craig Snedeker called him last night (he noted the coincidence - the eve of his testimony!). During the phone call, Craig told him the CCC was "ineffective".

The CCC chairman was there, but didn't testify. Outside in the hallway after the testimony, he gave us these stats:

• 31 hearings were scheduled
• 20 of those cases were settled prior to being heard
• 6 of those cases were heard, all were decided in favor of the cable company
• 3 of those cases were withdrawn

That still leaves 2 unaccounted for. Maybe those are still pending (or maybe one is Don's and one is still pending).

OT: Praisner said Verizon and the county are "actively negotiating" a franchise agreement, and it should be awarded "shortly".

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Good summary, JT. The way they ordered the 3 of us worked out very well. Your presentation and mine both complemented and reinforced each other. And the informal presentation in the middle was a nice break from our formality with a very effective plea of desperation as well as insight on Comcast's customer support - to ask 1 day before the hearing what they could do for a customer.

As I understand it, Craig Snedeker (Comcast GM) called with an entire team of people on speakerphone to see if they could resolve his problems. However, by that time it was too late. But it wasn't too late to repeat what had happened to the council. He was extremely gracious in his description of his interactions with Comcast. He merely factually described what had happened.

He also pointed out that unsatisfactory rating that Comcast of MC has according to the local Better Business Bureau and contrasted it with Comcast's satisfactory ratings in BBB's in nearby localities.

It was extremely peculiar that Comcast did not attend this hearing (nor did they attend the previous April hearing).

One other note - I understand that the 7-05 will amend the original legislation so that non-customers can also file complaints. Evidentally, some prospective customers got jerked around enough that they filed formal complaints but the original legislation only covered current customers.


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I hope Gandhi submitted written testimony.

said by washingtonpost.com:
Six Weeks Stuck In Comcast Limbo

By Don Oldenburg
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 14, 2005; Page C09

Like most Internet-dependent customers whose high-speed connection goes down, Apoorva Gandhi figured his service provider, Comcast, would have it up and running again soon after an interruption in March.

Annoying as they are, occasional server crashes are a fact of life online and Gandhi knew that. But six weeks later, he was still waiting for Comcast to fix his connection.

"It is ridiculous," says Gandhi, not related to the famous advocate of peaceful conflict resolution but showing similar patience and resolve. "It should be, I call once and then it's done. . . . But it was unreturned phone call after unreturned phone call."

A Bethesda business consultant who does much of his work from home, Gandhi can't afford to go without an Internet connection. Neither can his wife, Ruchi Sharma, who is starting a home-based interior design business. He loaded a free-trial America Online disc and reverted to using a dial-up connection while counting the days his high-speed service was down. "It was so slow," he says.

Gandhi says the first Comcast technician showed up in early April and told him "the 'drop' needed to be fixed and 'we'll get back to you' " -- corporate speak for don't call us, we'll call you.

When no one got back to him, he called Comcast once a day for four straight days asking to speak to a supervisor. No one returned his call, he says. He called Comcast's corporate office in Philadelphia, was assured the problem would be resolved immediately and was referred to a local Comcast executive who didn't return his calls. He again left daily messages for a week that weren't returned.

Comcast finally notified Gandhi that a technician would repair the problem the next day -- but no one came. He called Comcast and reported the technician didn't show up, but no one called him back. He called again and was "lectured" by a customer service representative who told him, "Sometimes things happen and our techs don't come out."

One Comcast customer service rep tried to help, but couldn't get higher-ups to call Gandhi back, so the rep finally recommended that Gandhi "drive in-person to the Comcast office and confront someone."

Comcast is one of Washington's largest ISPs, and nationally -- with 7.4 million customers -- it is the second largest provider next to AOL. Comcast has had technical and customer service issues before. In April, the company grappled with a network glitch that intermittently prevented customers nationwide from checking their e-mail accounts and accessing Web sites for hours at a time -- though Gandhi's problem wasn't part of that.

This month's issue of PC World magazine surveyed 6,000 of its subscribers about ISP customer-support satisfaction. Comcast received middling grades (behind Time Warner Cable's Road Runner and Cox, but ahead of AOL, NetZero and MSN's dial-up service). Forty-eight percent of those surveyed said they were "satisfied or extremely satisfied" with Comcast's customer support and technical support, while the top ISPs scored more than 70 percent satisfaction.

After "the six-week debacle," Gandhi says he found the names and e-mail addresses of Comcast's board members online and e-mailed a complaint to them. "I tried to work this from the bottom up," he says. But when that didn't get the problem solved, he adds, "I decided to work from the top down."

A Comcast regional vice president contacted him, apologized and said he would compensate Gandhi 12 weeks of credit for his Internet and cable service -- twice the length of the outage. By early May, Comcast fixed Gandhi's Internet connection.

Comcast wouldn't address Gandhi's problem fully on the record. Spokesman Jeanne Russo e-mailed a statement: "We regret what happened in Mr. Gandhi's case and have offered him our sincere apologies. We want to stress that this was an unfortunate but isolated situation.

"Over 90 percent of our customers tell us that they'd recommend our service to their family or friends -- and we believe this is a great testament to how they feel about Comcast and the service we provide."

Gandhi doesn't count himself among that 90 percent.

"What I told them is, I feel like I've been wronged and here's their opportunity to do the right thing," says Gandhi, who wanted a year of free service. "To go through what I went though, they have a very unhappy customer."
Has Comcast ever surveyed their customers?

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said by JTRockville See Profile:

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said by washingtonpost.com:
Six Weeks Stuck In Comcast Limbo

Comcast wouldn't address Gandhi's problem fully on the record. Spokesman Jeanne Russo e-mailed a statement: "We regret what happened in Mr. Gandhi's case and have offered him our sincere apologies. We want to stress that this was an unfortunate but isolated situation.

"Over 90 percent of our customers tell us that they'd recommend our service to their family or friends -- and we believe this is a great testament to how they feel about Comcast and the service we provide."

Gandhi doesn't count himself among that 90 percent.


Has Comcast ever surveyed their customers?
76% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 90% sure is a nice round number. My experience with Comcast put me in the other 90%.


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Comcast does survey it's customers -- fairly often. 90% would be the rate at which people would recommend the service to others. Overall satisfaction however is in mid 70s (72-78%) this meets consensus with most other ISPs as well with the exception of earthlink who people just love for some reason.

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Comcast didn't show up, and neither did Starpower, but Verizon did (though VZ didn't testify). Praisner mentioned "for the record" that Starpower plans to send written testimony in favor of the extension.
An anonymous source told me that the reason Comcast didn't bother to testify was that they already made the rounds of each Councilmember that they thought could be convinced to vote against the bill. Given Comcast's history of largesse in MC affairs, it's not hard to believe they could make a persuasive argument.

Because of this, I am no longer so sure this is a fait accompli and so I am recommending that more people express their support for Bill 7-05. Although the hearing is over, email may continue to be sent to the council until June 20.

The CCAC indicated that they are going to send an email of support (although I understand it will just be a simple paragraph, sigh). Alas, the CCAC has now lost all the members that drafted the original position papers on Bill 28-02, so it's not clear that the new members have the background or motivation to understand the issues. In fact, they might not have even bothered to write anything (can you blame them? - they weren't even told about the hearing until the day after!), except that at this evening's meeting, two CCAC members described how just only one week earlier, they both suffered 3 day outages because Comcast screwed up their accounts and insisted they wait for a technician to come out and check their (perfectly good) lines.


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Do you have any idea why the CCAC wasn't notified when the rest of us were?

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I'm not privy to CCAC communications so I can only speculate that it was simply an oversight that the CCAC wasn't given an early heads up. (On the other hand - this is a recurring theme - the CCAC frequently hasn't been given much or any lead time as I've mentioned before.)

Technically speaking, the CCAC Chair *was* told about the hearing when we were but he's a busy guy and he may have deemed it a fruitless exercise to try and bring the rest of the committee up to speed AND get a consensus AND get them to agree on a letter of support - all in just a few days.

So the committee as a whole didn't even know the hearing was taking place until it was over. In fact, most of the committee didn't even know what the commission was or the whole complaint process until last night when the Cable Office gave them a walk-through of the complaint process.

Speaking of which, the Cable Office said that complaints were up substantially recently. I don't have the figures in front of me but it was an astonishingly huge jump, related to service calls (not billing, which has historically been the lead). Jane Lawton (Cable Office Administrator) said that they were considering assessing fines due to the severity.

The Cable Office also noted that they had been warned by Comcast that they intend to do 400 equipment upgrades this summer that will cause outages. Since the outages are expected to be less than 2 hours and will take place from 1-5AM, consumers need not be notified, only the Cable Office is required to be notified. So that's what Comcast is doing.

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Hi - I am Apoorva - from the wash post article - you cannot believe the response the writer and I have gotten...

I was asked to testify by Praisners office last week but could not attend due to work committments...

I wish I could have - I bet Craig S and his EA are getting slammed with calls now...

AG

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said by apoorvag See Profile:

Hi - I am Apoorva - from the wash post article - you cannot believe the response the writer and I have gotten...

I was asked to testify by Praisners office last week but could not attend due to work committments...

I wish I could have - I bet Craig S and his EA are getting slammed with calls now...

AG
You can still email a letter to the county council in support of the commission.

Jane Lawton (MC Cable Administrator) had copies of your Washington Post article in her hands at the hearing. (I know this because she gave me a copy!) The MC Cable Office maintains statistics of the number of complaints that are outstanding for more than 30 days. I don't recall the exact numbers offhand but they are very high right now. There are a lot of people that Comcast seems to be unable to deliver satisfactory service to for extended periods - in clear violation of the customer service requirements of the franchise. This is why the MC is considering fining Comcast. MC has fined Comcast for other reasons but I don't think Comcast has ever been fined on these particular issues before. One of the reasons why the Commission is so badly needed.


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Hi - I am Apoorva - from the wash post article - you cannot believe the response the writer and I have gotten...
Hi AG! It's great to have you here at BroadbandReports.com


said by apoorvag See Profile:

I was asked to testify by Praisners office last week but could not attend due to work committments...
Ditto what Don said - even if you couldn't testify, it's worthwhile to send an email in support of extending bill 7-05 to the council.

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The Council will have the final reading of Bill 07-05 tomorrow (Tuesday the 12th), between 9:30 and 10 am.

The entire meeting agenda (pdf) is here:
»www.montgomerycountymd.gov/conte···12ag.pdf

The council packet for Bill 07-05 (pdf) is here:
»www.montgomerycountymd.gov/conte···fp05.pdf

The meeting will be broadcast on CCM. Anyone who's interested can catch the live stream here:
»www.montgomerycountymd.gov/apps/···able.asp
(click "Watch County Cable Montgomery Live", or wait until Wednesday and visit the "Video Archive")

said by DonLibes See Profile:

So the committee as a whole didn't even know the hearing was taking place until it was over. In fact, most of the committee didn't even know what the commission was or the whole complaint process until last night when the Cable Office gave them a walk-through of the complaint process.
I guess they liked it! The CCAC sent a letter of support (pdf page 23 and 24 of the council packet), as did RCN/Starpower (pdf page 6 of the council packet).

said by DonLibes See Profile:

Speaking of which, the Cable Office said that complaints were up substantially recently. I don't have the figures in front of me but it was an astonishingly huge jump, related to service calls (not billing, which has historically been the lead). Jane Lawton (Cable Office Administrator) said that they were considering assessing fines due to the severity.
Here's a chart of complaints from January through June of 2005 (from pdf page 25 of the council packet):




That's an ENORMOUS spike in complaints! There were 265 complainants in June, which generated 527 issues.

For comparison, here are the number of complainants in 2004:

January 72
February 82
March 82
April 76
May 45
June 68
July 114
August 102
September 110
October 90
November 83
December 91
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Total 1,015

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said by JTRockville See Profile:

I guess they liked it! The CCAC sent a letter of support (pdf page 23 and 24 of the council packet), as did RCN/Starpower (pdf page 6 of the council packet).
Thanks for the graphs, JT. Very startling!

By the way, the Bethesda-Chevy Chase Chamber of Commerce also sent in a letter. BCCCC is a pro-business lobbying organization that is incestuously related to Comcast. Comcast is a Gold Sponsor of BCCCC and a Comcast officer holds a seat on the BCCCC board.

Needless to say, any statement the BCCCC makes should be interpreted as that of Comcast. That said, the BCCCC letter didn't take a stand on 7-05 itself only on the proposed amendment to broaden the scope to allow non-customers to file.

The gist of the amendment is to support potential cable customers who fail to get what the cable company promised (such as a connection). Currently, such customers have no standing before the CCC. The amendment would remedy that. Not surprisingly, the BCCC came out against the amendment.

PS: According to the BCCCC web site, 90% of the dues paid to the BCCCC may be deductible as "an ordinary and necessary business expect."


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said by DonLibes See Profile:

By the way, the Bethesda-Chevy Chase Chamber of Commerce also sent in a letter.
I wonder why BCCCC's comments didn't make it into the packet. Apparently, the MC Department of Technology services also submitted comments that weren't included in the packet.

It was a lively debate, that's for sure! Everyone seemed to agree that the bill was worthwhile, but the "prospective customer" amendment was controversial. Discussion centered around:
• civil rights,
• cutting cables,
• the LFA's "nuclear option",
• Praisner's lack of phone calls this morning,
• the somewhat mysterious phone call Leventhal received this morning,
• and of course, an unsubstantiated anonymous prediction that the "prospective customer" amendment would open a "floodgate" of complaints to the CCC.

Whether or not this amendment would produce a "floodgate" of complaints was debated (it was at this time, personal phone call history from this morning was introduced). I think 5 of the 1000+ complaints received by the cable office last year were from prospective customers. Even if all 5 of those complainants ended up before the CCC, it would hardly be considered a "flood" of cases.

Eligibility (which is how the conversation took on the "civil rights" and "cutting cables" aspects) seemed to be a bigger sticking point. Opponents of the amendment indicated that the cable office had the power (and ultimately a "nuclear option") to settle eligibility disputes. Beyond eligibility disputes, prospective customers have recourse through the Division of Consumer Affairs.

I think the meeting concluded like this (did anyone else watch/can confirm?):

The "prospective customer" amendment was voted down 5-4. I didn't get the names of those who voted against it (I'll guess: Andrews, Floreen, Leventhal, Silverman, Subin).

The bill (sans "prospective customer" amendment) passed 9-0.


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Looks like I guessed wrong on who voted down the amendment. The Gazette posted the "official" tally:

said by Douglas Tallman, Gazette Staff Writer, July 13, 2005 :
Council renews cable commission

A commission that hears complaints about cable companies will continue to exist, but legislation that would have extended its jurisdiction failed after debate Tuesday by the Montgomery County Council.

The debate flummoxed supporters of the plan, who were expecting easy passage.

"I'm disappointed because I think folks were reading it wrong," said Councilwoman Marilyn J. Praisner (D-Dist. 4) of Calverton.

Organized in May 2003, the Cable Compliance Commission has five members who meet monthly to rule on subscriber complaints that have not been resolved by the county's Office of Cable and Communication Services.

Legislation authorizing the commission was to run out in December, and on Tuesday the council passed a three-year extension.

Stripped from the extension was a provision that would give prospective subscribers the right to bring complaints to the commission. That provision is what sparked the controversy.

Non-subscribers have tried to use the cable franchise agreement to force Comcast to provide cable service to their neighborhoods.

Councilman Steven A. Silverman (D-At large) of Silver Spring called the provision a "sham" because it would not help residents who want cable television extended to their homes. That power rests only with the Office of Cable and Communication Services.

"What I don't like is legislation that says it does something that it doesn't," Silverman said.

Four other council members -- Michael J. Knapp (D-Dist. 2) of Germantown, Michael L. Subin (D-At large) of Gaithersburg, Nancy M. Floreen (D-At large) of Garrett Park and Howard A. Denis (R-Dist. 1) of Chevy Chase -- agreed, and the provision was stripped.

Praisner said the commission can weigh individual cases. When the cable office issues orders, it is looking at cumulative cases, she said.

The move comes just as the number of complaints has spiked against Comcast, the politically connected company providing cable and Internet service to 200,000 Montgomery County homes.

For the first five months of 2005, the company averaged about 100 complaints. But in June, the number rose to 265, and 106 have been received for the first 12 days of July, according to cable office data.

A company representative could not be reached for comment, but Comcast officials have blamed service interruptions on Verizon employees and contractors as that company lays wire to extend its network. Verizon officials did not return calls.

Comcast service will be the subject of a July 25 meeting of the council's Management and Fiscal Policy Committee in Rockville.
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