antiserious
The Future ain't what it used to be
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| reply to B
Re: Can't Copy Protected CDs still be cracked?
... B, looks like you were right to be suspicious when a programmer comments about losing his programmers ...
... guess I'm not surprised that someone would try to take advantage of another's work, just sorry I fell for it ... oh well, live and learn ...
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lightningstrikes
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But is the new program still any good? I mean this new ripoff of DVD Decrypter, is it any good? So what if it's a rip off of a program that is now gone. DVD Decrypter is not coming back so if this new ripoff version works, what's the difference? We still end up with a free program that will copy dvd's...right? |
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B
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| reply to antiserious
Thanks, antiserious. Looks like the debunking starts around »DVD Decrypter - Gone Forever
At least someone quotes (what purports to be) the real author there.
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antiserious
The Future ain't what it used to be
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| reply to peggypwr1
... sorry it took so long to get back to this ... I posted a link earlier in this thread to a site that 'appeared' to be for DVD Decrypter, reborn ... it's a fraud, as Koolman2 pointed out ... my apologies for any confusion ...
... reference this thread for more information, post 60 or so - »DVD Decrypter - Gone Forever ...
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Frosties
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2 edits | reply to MorpheusUK
erased |
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Red Dragon
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| reply to JamPony9
about auto that software that installs to uphold the copy protection; is that now illegal under the new anti spyware bill that states to some degree that the software must present its self to be either installed or not installed with full permission from the user. |
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JamPony9
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| reply to peggypwr1
I expect this thread is about to get locked because it has gone way beyond the security question. Not that that's bad, it is interesting and informative.
Anyway, on topic, if you get and install the Tweak UI utility, it gives more control over autorun. It is part of Microsoft's "Powertoys" package. XP version is here:
»www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/down···oys.mspx
There's one for each version of Windows. |
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diver196
join:2003-12-09 | reply to peggypwr1
For help on this topic:
»club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=46159 |
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MorpheusUK
join:2003-09-09
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said by SpannerITWks  :Making ONE copy of something for backup purposes Only IS legal. Not in the UK as I stated aleady. Unfortunately as most Americans talk about it being legal to make a copy for backup purposes most Brits assume this is also the case, it is not. In the UK the only legal way to get a copy is to buy another copy in the format you want it.
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garys_2k
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Farmington, MI
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| reply to peggypwr1
ALL methods of sound storage (analog or digital, vinyl or as a bitstream) and production/amplification (vibrating a stylus, signaling a D/A converter, using transistors or tubes) introduce distortion. Some types of distortion sound better to more people than others, so they decide that system is "better." Some flavors of IM distortion, some harmonic distortion, some "comfort noise" can add character to sound and is perceived as pleasant. But all of it is only a fair representation of the original sound. |
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TheSpector
join:2005-05-28
Boca Raton, FL
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This is true. When music becomes too refined it sounds fake. As soon as sound becomes perfect we will need a device to add the hiss and crackle back in.
And I also know what you mean by the "warmth" of the music on analog. Do you suppose that can be mimiced by an audio spectrum analyzer. |
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koolman2
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| reply to SpannerITWks
Don't worry, eventually they'll come out with 16-terabit/192THz sampling, and the human ear will not be able to tell the difference. Too bad that one second's worth of that sample rate would be 249.25YB(YottaByte)!
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John2g
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said by SpannerITWks : Even though in theory we cant hear all that's there, it's been suggested many times that those Extra frequencies do actually play some part in the Total Experience of Analog, which are missing from CD's. I think that is because we can hear the harmonics.
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SpannerITWks
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Hi astirusty,
As a lot of people don't handle their CD's carefully, they usually have multiple scatches on them, most will be invisible to the eye. So the error correction is working overtime more than some may think. Haha yeah you're right about shaking a turntable lol.
Actually the AD/DA process is severely manipulated in many ways in order to make it work. Yeah sure we've got higher Bit Rates + Sample Rates than before, and i do understand the Nyquist theorem.
But just one of the differences between A + D is that for eg CD's have to roll off the high frequencys in order to meet the Nyquist theorem, otherwise they would be severely distorted. Records/Cartridges are not limited by the same degree.
One of the reasons given why Records/Analog sound better, is becuase of the extended upper bandwith. Even though in theory we cant hear all that's there, it's been suggested many times that those Extra frequencies do actually play some part in the Total Experience of Analog, which are missing from CD's.
The vast majority of commercial music is subject to Compression in various forms thru the recording chain. So instead of for eg a 130dB Dynamic Range, we end up with between on average 50dB - 70dB in the finished product !
I havn't heard of CD's being recorded with the Inverse RIAA Curve, but in the early days maybe some were in error ! All preamps for playing records have a Phono stage with the RIAA Correction Curve to restore the bass and EQ the treble to make the response perfectly flat again.
I agree a really good HiFi is something worth having, if you love music, and sure it's all down to personal preferences. It's just that in my expereience most people havn't heard a really good system, never mind a Top Class one. So they get used to average sound, and becuase there's no occassional pops n hiss, which has nothing to do with the quality of the Actual music, they think it's as good as it gets !
It never ceases to amaze me just how dissapointed people are when you play their Data Reduced mp3's and WMA's etc on even modest HiFi gear !
And also when they get the chance to hear carefully looked after records played thru even a modest but quality system, it's an eye opener for most of them.
Keep on grooving,literally lol,
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| reply to John2g
said by John2g :The Sony-BMG SunnComm system uses a copy manager on a PC which creates a handover to the Windows Media DRM software that works with Windows media player, which then prevents further copying. This used to be easily bypassed, but now Sony-BMG has gone a step further and instead of trying to install the copy manager surreptitiously it tells the consumer it is doing it and if the consumer says no, it ejects the CD. That sounds easy enough: If the disc gets ejected, hold the shift key in and try again.
said by John2g :The Macrovision CDS 300 which EMI has chosen has been available for about a year from Macrovision and it enables new CD’s to be burned, which themselves cannot be copied. What Macrovision has done is take its old, rigid copy protection called CDS 100, which was unpopular because the CDs didn’t work with all players and never allowed any copying, and make those the output of the new CDs when copied. The copies also will not play on a PC, only the original will play on a PC. This sounds like somewhat of a pain, but like everything else, it will be cracked, possibly before it even hits the shelves.
Funny how they whine about how much money they're losing to piracy, and yet they have all kinds of money to piss away on useless and ineffective copy protection. |
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John2g
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| reply to peggypwr1
From The Register.
By Faultline
Published Tuesday 21st June 2005 16:44 GMT
Both Sony-BMG and EMI have made statements this week that most of their CDs for their major markets will have copy protection placed on them.
Sony BMG is a customer for SunnComm while EMI is using the Macrovision CDS 300 technology.
But Sony-BMG also used the opportunity to seed anti-Apple sentiment among the US press, knocking the company for continuing to keep Fairplay a closed environment and appearing to favor Microsoft software with its copy protection approach.
The Sony-BMG SunnComm system uses a copy manager on a PC which creates a handover to the Windows Media DRM software that works with Windows media player, which then prevents further copying. This used to be easily bypassed, but now Sony-BMG has gone a step further and instead of trying to install the copy manager surreptitiously it tells the consumer it is doing it and if the consumer says no, it ejects the CD.
The Macrovision CDS 300 which EMI has chosen has been available for about a year from Macrovision and it enables new CD’s to be burned, which themselves cannot be copied. What Macrovision has done is take its old, rigid copy protection called CDS 100, which was unpopular because the CDs didn’t work with all players and never allowed any copying, and make those the output of the new CDs when copied. The copies also will not play on a PC, only the original will play on a PC.
When running on a PC, Macrovision will also add a piece of software that will run as a copy manager in virtually the same way as the Sony-BMG SunnComm technology.
There is going to be howl of protest from the anti-DRM community and already there are write ups of how to get around the system and import tracks onto iPods via a CD copy, one track at a time. The two pieces of software that co-operate with Windows Media DRM don’t work at all with Apple’s Fairplay and so Apple owners may find they can’t play the CDs at all or if they can, they are not protected, in the same way raw MP3 files are not protected on iTunes.
Our guess is that iTunes customers will simply shift their entire music acquisition program from CDs to online and save a lot of fuss, slashing CD sales in the process.
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Martinus
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said by dave :Tube radios were inevitably described as "warm". They actually got warm enough after a while being on. Epecially if you happened to touch a bulb.
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dave
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| reply to astirusty
said by astirusty :Others complained about the "harshness" because digital (CDs) format can store a wider decibel range than records, about 30 more dBs. I heard once that people who were used to listening to classical music on the radio (back in the early days of radio) and who then heard live music would complain that the strings were "harsh" for the same sort of reason - they'd got used to inaccurate reproductions. Tube radios were inevitably described as "warm". |
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astirusty
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said by SpannerITWks :Remember Analog is a continuous waveform, but Digital is Not, it's discontinuous and has to be severely manipulated in order to make it work, with lots of error correction going on a lot of the time etc. The error correction only kicks in when the media has been damaged or the player itself is having problems. Such as a person jogging with a CD player which can cause tracking problems. Of course jogging with a phonograph would cause even more problems.;)
You may call the analog to digital & back to analog process "severely manipulated", I would not. The sampling rates are now high enough and the DACs good enough that the final analog output is more than accurate enough for the human ear. See current sample rates and Nyquist theorem. A reason CDs originally got a bad reputation was do to improper mastering. Using the "RIAA Curve" on CDs that was meant for LPs. LP's are mastered with reduced bass levels and increased treble levels, to compensate for vinyl records limitations.
said by SpannerITWks :If someone played you the same album, one a quality LP system and one from CD, side by side with the levels matched and started in synch, and kept switching from one to the other, you might be surprised which one you actually preferred. This comes down to preference. The purists usually complain about the "harshness" of digital sound and/or the "warmth" of vinyl. Part of that is caused by the fact records (LPs) wear out in their ability to reproduce high frequencies. Repeatedly dragging a needle over the groves tends to "smooth out" the groves.  Others complained about the "harshness" because digital (CDs) format can store a wider decibel range than records, about 30 more dBs.
said by SpannerITWks :Of course if you don't have a good HiFi system and only have one of these midi setups or listen thru your PC, then you can't expect to hear what you've been missing. Wouldn't matter if it was a record or a CD, either way the music is going to sound better on a good HiFi over a cheap set of PC speakers with built-in amps. |
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jsouth
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Wichita, KS
| reply to dantz
Boo hoo If I can't play a cd that I cannot return (You do know that most places will only let you return for the same item) or I cannot make a copy of a cd that I PAID for, why is it wrong with finding out how to make it work. It doesn't mean I'm going to post it on a P2P network. Quit being so sanctimonious. 
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