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fiberguy
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said by guitarzan  :said by voyager6868 :You people should really consider moving north  We have a lot more freedoms up here. How many handguns,What make,What model do you own? How many rifles are in your home? Again I ask what make,What model? How many so called "assault weapons do you have and are aloud to purchase and keep? Gun laws? Is that all you can compare? That's hardly a come back to his post. Canada IS a free country, thus they are part of the free world. There are differences between what we have and what they have... However, I do believe that Canada is becoming more favorable to people as far as Civil Liberties are concerned. I can say one thing for sure, Canada is treating people more equal that the U.S. How long ago did black people here get their so-called rights? Are gay people still fighting for equality here? How about Canada? I would rather have the U.S. treat it's people equally first before I would concern myself with guns. I do enjoy owning guns myself, but freedoms come before hand guns.
The U.S. is quickly, and I mean in the last 5 years, steering into an era of church driven laws - and if anyone knows anything about the Church, they are FAR from diverse and FAR from free thinking.
This is why I never understood how we have survived so long with the so-called separation of church and state, better known as the establishment cluase, without having problems sooner. The U.S. stands for freedoms, and the church is not so free - with the church, it's usually one way or you go to hell. | |
guitarzan
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| said by fiberguy :said by guitarzan :said by voyager6868 :You people should really consider moving north We have a lot more freedoms up here. How many handguns,What make,What model do you own? How many rifles are in your home? Again I ask what make,What model? How many so called "assault weapons do you have and are aloud to purchase and keep? said by fiberguy Gun laws? Is that all you can compare? That's hardly a come back to his post. Canada IS a free country, thus they are part of the free world.[/BQUOTE: Hardly a come back.? Pretty much all I'm concerned about.Then answer my question.Gun laws.? Yes thats a major point.If it is so free.That has everything to do with freedom.When we declared our independence.It sure as hell was not done with words alone.Why do you think they are trying so desperately to outlaw guns in this country.? Once that right is taken away.All others will soon follow.As an example.Look what happened when Hitler came to power.That is the very first thing he outlawed.Thats right gun ownership banned. History proved to the world the outcome of that tragedy. said by fiberguy There are differences between what we have and what they have...[/BQUOTE: Sure there is a difference.Compare the healthcare systems between these countries.I am not slamming them for anything.However I prefer our system here. said by fiberguy :However, I do believe that Canada is becoming more favorable to people as far as Civil Liberties are concerned. What exactly do you mean.? Please explain further.Do
you mean they are trying to catch up.? Please explain.
said by fiberguy :I can say one thing for sure, Canada is treating people more equal that the U.S. How long ago did black people here get their so-called rights? I totally agree with,The mistreatment of black people.That's an unfortunate event that did happen.In The Past.However today is different.Were it not so, Clarence Thomas would not have been affirmed to a high seat on the bench.Look at our sports stars,our actors,members of congress.J.C Watts comes to mind off hand.I do not buy into your whole point of view on this issue.
said by fiberguy Are gay people still fighting for equality here?[/BQUOTE: WTF you mean??? Since you threw something like this into the mix,let me explain something.Because I see where you're headed with a statement like that.
ALL citizens of the U.S.Have a Constitution and a bill of rights.As such we can exercise our rights.What YOUR talking about is SPECIAL rights,for gay people.So that special rights can allow them to hold hands,kiss and make out in our public parks and places.As human beings they are afforded the same bill of rights.As we all are.
Equal to everyone regardless of sexual preference.NO NO special rights.Animals have right to you know.I love that statement.NO THEY don't have rights.It's an animal for crying out loud.They do not deserve neglect and abuse from the hands of its owner. said by fiberguy How about Canada?[/BQUOTE: I don't know I never lived there.The U.S. is home to me and as such.It's the only place I will ever call home.It's not my business to know the policies Canada has in place.The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence till you get there.
said by fiberguy I would rather have the U.S. treat it's people equally first before I would concern myself with guns.[/BQUOTE: I DO worry about my personal freedoms first.Without them I can't help anyone.You know that will never happen.Not in a million,billion years.Life has a way of dealing bad cards to everyone.Your welcome to believe in utopia though.
said by fiberguy : I do enjoy owning guns myself, but freedoms come before hand guns. I think you're confused on how that actually works.We would not have the freedom we do today,were it not for guns.A man with a gun is a citizen.A man without a gun is a slave.Our fore fathers did not shed blood with sticks to ensure equality in our Country.But with arms taken up to guarantee our freedom.said by fiberguy : The U.S. is quickly, and I mean in the last 5 years, steering into an era of church driven laws - and if anyone knows anything about the Church, they are FAR from diverse and FAR from free thinking. Yea right.I could have sworn Politicians were being bought off at a rapid pace by corporations.
Have you ever been to Church.?Don't sound like it.I doubt it.Its not about diversity or free thinking.Its basing your faith and religion on God.Now I know you proudly carry the liberal banner.
Church has nothing to do with limiting freedom.However one is free to worship as one see's fit.Today sadly it's greed.Who's odor is emmaniting directly from Politicians and corporate whores.Not from Church.
Lets set the record straight on the issue.Damn athesists.One may prove a lot of things wrong.One thing that man never can prove wrong is the Bible.Has not been done in the
past 2000 years,nor will it be done in the next 2000 years.
BTW: Bible means Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
said by fiberguy :This is why I never understood how we have survived so long with the so-called separation of church and state, better known as the establishment cluase, without having problems sooner Your grasping at straws now.That never caused any problems before.Why would it all of a sudden now.? What that really means is that the STATE can't tell you which religion to to worship.Get your facts straight.Not by your misgiuded beliefs.Russia didn't have seperation of Church and state.What happened.? Militant asthesism.Do you home work first.Instead of repeating nitwittery drivel pushed by liberals as truth.
said by fiberguy :The U.S. stands for freedoms, and the church is not so free - with the church, it's usually one way or you go to hell.
Wait a minute here pal.I want to see proof of what you claim against the Church.Where it limits freedoms.It's one way or you go to hell.No problem there.
No freedom is limited.Your free will has not been taken away.
Oh I see now.You want the Church to conform and bend its beliefs to yours.For example you may find it perfectly acceptable.To have sex with other men.
People want to do that go head.From a practice that was afraid to come out of the closet.Now it won't shut its damn mouth.
Thats the most absurd thing I ever heard.Just because it can be tolerated.Does not meant it is acceptable. | |
fiberguy
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| guitarzan,
You really need a hobby.
Additionally, if you read any of my posts, I have, many times, stated I am neither democrap, or a repuke-again. Believe it or not, there are more political affiliations in this country.
So I find it hard to see how since I don't believe in how organized religion twists the minds of people makes me a "liberal".. you should not confuse the lack of religion with a political party. I know Rove likes to hijack religion for the Repuke-again party, but not everyone follows his ways.
As to the rest of your post, you really make no sense for me to even attempt to respond.
Respond if you'd like, but I won't be reading it. | |
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| Well dude I do have a hobby.I'm a gun collector.Your political affiliation,Was not and is the issue.What the issue concerned was freedom.I believe I asked a legimate question
concerning the freedom of gun ownwrship.To Voyager6868
When Said by voyager6868
(You people should really consider moving north We have a lot more freedoms up here.)You jumped all over me.With (Gun laws? Is that all you can compare? That's hardly a come back to his post.)
YUP thats all I wanted to know.Then YOU turned political right off the bat.Decided to bring Civil Liberties,Racism that most likely neither you or I lived through in that era.Then without further hesitation.
You brought Religion into the debate to muddy the water even more with.An assertion. (The U.S. is quickly, and I mean in the last 5 years, steering into an era of church driven laws).
To further confuse you added.(I never understood how we have survived so long with the so-called separation of church and state).I explain that meaning again.What that means is the State CANNOT order anyone to any Religion.Especially won that would be State organized.Ok look I'm sorry i called you
a liberal.Will heathen athesist do.?  .You made a claim that where.(steering into an era of church driven laws).
I don't see that.What I do see is a corporate run police state taking affect slowly.As for not wanting to refute the rest of my post.? Why not? Here's your chance to point by point back up your claims with proof.On the issues you brought into this.Except for the animal have no rights that statement I made.
I do not expect an answer to this post from you.Nor do I expect you to have proof of your claims you posted.It's
nothing personal against you.However when one gets wrongly
blamed.In this case The Church I will stand up for it. | |
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