itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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Re: Well...
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Linux still has a lot of shortcomings. For years to come I wouldn't touch anything that's touched it.
There's always OSX from www.apple.com. Easier to use than Linux, has the lowest TCO of all OS's and hardware platforms, and Just Works.
I made the switch 3 years ago and laugh at the BS I have to do to keep Windows working. But that's my job and it puts a roof over my head, a car in my driveway, and a Mac on my desk! 
If any other product were as defective as Windows, it would be long dead. Yet people keep on buying it....
Seriously, though there are options other than Windows - Macs and Linux are very close. |
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
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join:2003-08-04
USA
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| reply to moo2
Ah i found the front page area
I usually only go here if i see NEWS articles on the top bar...Hmmmmmmm,thanx to my friend on the PUB
Yes this is a stupid idea and most liklely will produce more spam!!!!! And spyware crap for IE users mostly...
I swear if there is $$$ involved,MS quickly tries to take control!!!!!!!!
Thanx for the report!! |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to linicx
Actually, I've been on the Internet since about 1993. I was there before the first Mozilla browser was released when Gopher was the hottest thing around. I've seen quite a lot of the development of things online. Spam was minimal back then because simply there were very few people online then. As the Internet became more popular and more and more people went online, the spammers found they could make money sending more and more spam e-mails. This has nothing to do with IE, however.
VBScript doesn't let you find out a person's e-mail address. Spammers find that out by various methods (e.g. spiders that cruise the web in search of e-mail addresses or generating possible e-mail addresses by using common names and service providers). None of these methods involves VBScript, JavaScript, or cookies. Bill Gates isn't to blame for the current level of spam. Spammers and the people who purchase from spam are to blame.
Internet Explorer has it's share of problems (some might say more than it's share). For the longest time, it's ActiveX default settings left users vulnerable to spyware infections. It's CSS support is ancient by Internet standards. It doesn't support recent innovations such as tabbed browsing natively. But spam e-mails aren't something that you can pin on Internet Explorer.
Oh, and just a question. What do you mean by the following statement?
said by linicx  :And the same experts warned about rewriting IE in VBS citing the ease of finding and/or writing poison scripts and other potential problems it would cause.. Is it just your phrasing or are you actually suggesting that Internet Explorer is itself written in VBScript? If it's the latter then you're sadly mistaken.
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Spudge_Boy
join:2004-09-17
Orange, CA
| reply to redxii
"When it comes to Microsoft, why do we always assume the outcome of something (the worst one)?"
Because it always is the worst one that is why. The people bitching here are bitching for good reason. They have history with Microsoft and their products. That is why. |
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linicx
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United State
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| reply to Jason Levine
X???? Well, let's see.,, Hmmm, There was an internet long before Active X. Heck there was even an Internet and good software before Microsoft. Then SPAM was minimal -- maybe one piece per every six months, and developers actually wrote clean code. When IE was released it was purely awful and it had a lot of competition from browsers that didn't crash every keystroke. The second and third releases weren't any better and Netscape steadily gained in popularity.
About that time I got really interested in Unix and security, and paid little attention to MS until the security experts started talking about the problems VBS was going to cause if it was released in the same form as the Beta, and it did. And the same experts warned about rewriting IE in VBS citing the ease of finding and/or writing poison scripts and other potential problems it would cause.. And it came to pass the experts were right just as they were with the release of XP.
Now before we start the trolling let me say one more thing - just to clarify my position. I don't' like MS operating systems. I didn't like MS DOS, I didn't like the first version of Windows, and I don't like the current version, Maybe Longhorn will be better, I hope so. I built PCs for a number of years because I always hoped Bill Gates would get a clue. He didn't because he didn't want one. He still doesn't, but the difference is today he can do it from behind the doors of his $30b empire. He became a millionaire while he sold snake oil. And I finally had enough micro-managing of Windows to last a life time. I reached a point where it was taking more hours per day to keep Windows running properly than it did to take care of a two year old. I haven't owned a PC for a couple of years. Last year I gave a PC nut five complete, running PCs - the smallest of which was a nine bay, six drive, tower.
We can throw sand at each other all you like but the facts won't change. Bill gates was warned about the spam and viruses and he released the re-written IE anyway. And we, his adoring public got exactly what we were promised.
Go find someone who was on the internet before ICANN. and when the original U of I Mozilla browser was popular, and ask what the time line was. |
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gh4456
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join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | reply to linicx
Apparently he had one good idea that any of us wouldn't have mind having (regardless if it was original or not)
I wouldn't mind the $30 billion +
~DSL Tech |
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Portmonkey
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join:2004-04-09
Southern IL
| reply to redxii
I said what I did because I like Microsoft and out fear of the potential it could someday become something I don't like. The last thing I want to do is go to Linux or any other OS other than Microsoft. I've always felt that when it looks like something bad is about to possibly happen to something you like or love then stand up and at least voice your opinion against it. If enough people cry out together then perhaps it will reach the ears of the powers that be and will never happen.
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redxii
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3 edits | reply to Portmonkey
said by Portmonkey :Agreed, or anything that's not MS. Likely the straw which breaks the camels back that will send some, hopefully many looking for alternatives to Microsoft products.  When it comes to Microsoft, why do we always assume the outcome of something (the worst one)? Either read the article if you haven't, or find something else to do, or better yet go register on Slashdot.
Linux still has a lot of shortcomings. For years to come I wouldn't touch anything that's touched it.
Asinine statements like "Oh better get Linux then" DO NOT contribute anything...
I'll leave the judging to after I get the facts, NOT ASSUMING.
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Frankely Scarlet
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Does this about say it? |
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Portmonkey
scurvy
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join:2004-04-09
Southern IL | reply to moo2
Agreed, or anything that's not MS. Likely the straw which breaks the camels back that will send some, hopefully many looking for alternatives to Microsoft products. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| reply to moo2
I agree, especially after reading the article.
When you peel off the altruistic reasons for this acquisition you are left with the inescapable truth. Those that want this want it because the company will "benefit from the anticipated increase in personalized advertising."
My guess is that they will embed this crap into all their supported software and there will be no getting away from unwanted advertising or unwanted snooping. |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA | reply to linicx
How does rewriting IE open users to spam? To spyware, perhaps (via ActiveX installers), but spam? |
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
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join:2002-12-03
United State | reply to moo2
I'm with you, I'll wait and see. Most of Gates ideas that were called dumb by experts were catastrophic by proportion. Rewriting IE is one example. It opened users to a 10K percent increase in SPAM, in the last say 7-8 years. |
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@qwest.net | reply to moo2
cool, obviously ms will be able to turn them into something useful instead of a pain. |
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lkicck
| reply to moo2
Perhaps M$ will adopt the position that if they can't keep this stuff from being installed on the windows Operating system, then just buying the companies and getting rid of the software is the next best thing? |
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moo2
join:2003-02-14 | Time to switch to Linux I guess... |
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