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1 edit | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Trademark violation...nice way to start off a new business  | |
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Looks like askmrauto  went into business without doing any research to find out if the name in question could violate any existing trademark, and then blames it on them when they attempt to enforce that trademark.
Trademarks must be actively enforced, otherwise they lose their effectiveness and the owner could lose legal claim. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Check out my site and tell me if all the sites I have listed should be in violation also!!!
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Pointing your finger at others and saying `But they're doing it too' doesn't really help you out in this situation. You registered a domain name so similar to an established websites name that they contacted you with a `cease and desist' request.
I think you had to know it was coming: »Domain Name and how not to get sued
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com What does that have to do with it? Just because you trademark a domain does not mean you can stop someone from using the same name for something totally different that you don't offer.
Sorry! Crosswalk is a plain English word, not one that is made up! If they wanted exclusive rights the "holy" people at crosswalk.com should not have been so dumb! | |
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Yes, but Salem Web Solutions does operate in the same market you are trying to get into. Those other sites you linked to with "crosswalk" in the name don't.
Being cocky about it doesn't help either. I know myself I wouldn't do business with you simply based on your attitude. | |
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San Antonio, TX | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com What market is that? They don't do web hosting? Also I'm targeting everyone not just christians? So what's you answer now!!! | |
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com No, actually I want to start a legit business helping both Christians and Non-Christians  AS far as pissing them off goes they pissed me off! Yeah, we are Christians, haha! They could have easily introduced themselves the proper way like anybody else. Instead they choose to be the company that they really are.
A bunch of clever marketers who could care less about Christians and from the notice they sent me it only becomes more apparent!
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com You're sidestepping the issue when you attempt to turn this into a "Christian" thing.
Religious affiliation doesn't matter here.
How they run their business doesn't matter here.
Who owns legal rights to the trademarked name does matter here.
How you treat others does matter here.
All of these things reflect poorly on your professionalism and credibility. If all you really wanted to do was offer web hosting, you'd have chosen another name and be done with it. | |
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com said by rjackson :If all you really wanted to do was offer web hosting, you'd have chosen another name and be done with it. I think you hit it on the head there.
With domain names being so cheap, and the fact that he hasn't had time to build any real name recognition at this point it would make much more sense to move on instead of making a spectacle of the issue in a very public forum and on his homepage.
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San Antonio, TX | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Why, I like the name crosswalk it's a cool name for hosting? Why should I let some sleezy portal company RR me. JMHO | |
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com said by askmrauto :Why should I let some sleezy portal company RR me. JMHO Now they're sleazy? Because they sent you a very politically correct letter informing you of the trademark violation? In business, you must protect your assets which includes your name.
It is a neat sounding domain name, I'll give you that. They think so too, in fact so much that they trademarked it.
After reading this post, I can't but help wondering if you didn't have other intentions when registering your domain....like say, trying to sell it to them?
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2 edits | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com I was thinking that after they sent me the nasty gram! Secondly, I want nothing to do with their company! They had their chance and ruined it with a nasty gram. If they were so interested maybe they good have written a nice letter. Far as assets go. If they don't have enough so they are worried about me using crosswalkhosting.com to start my own web hosting company then they really need to think about how they screwed real Christians! Hmm, but that never comes up?
O'well I'm done wasting my breath! Obviously you people are not Christians and don't realize what a crumby thing they did to www.crosswalk.com.
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com said by askmrauto :Secondly, I want nothing to do with their company! They had their chance and ruined it with a nasty gram. So, you were interested in entering into a business relationship with them.
said by askmrauto :If they were so interested maybe they good have written a nice letter. They did write a nice letter, nothing menacing or threatening in it. Besides, why should they have to ask you to stop violating their trademark?
said by askmrauto :Far as assets go. If they don't have enough so they are worried about me using crosswalkhosting.com to start my own web hosting company Say it with me `This is about you using a registered trademark'. It's not about greed, they didn't ask you for the domain, they simply asked you to stop using the domain name.
said by askmrauto :then they really need to think about how they screwed real Christians! Hmm, but that never comes up? Religious beliefs don't pay the bills and are irrelevant to this discussion. Just because you share the same faith doesn't give you the right to infringe upon a name they've invested in.
said by askmrauto :O'well I'm done wasting my breath! Obviously you people are not Christians and don't realize what a crumby thing they did to www.crosswalk.com. Then why did you register the domain name in the first place? Why did you think about a partnership? Your statements are becoming contradictive!
said by askmrauto :P.S. I'm not a sell OUT! It was a question, not an accusation. Relax.
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| said by askmrauto :O'well I'm done wasting my breath! Obviously you people are not Christians and don't realize what a crumby thing they did to www.crosswalk.com. Yep, that's exactly what it's all about - religious affiliation. Good work.
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| said by askmrauto :Why should I let some sleezy portal company RR me. Legal issues aside, you shouldn't let anyone railroad you; however, you lose all credibility when you refer to the company in this thread as:
"sleezy portal company"
"bunch of clever marketers"
and then suggest in your other thread »Can this be true? and on your website:
"I told him instead of threating me, would it not be smarter to partner?"
"Why not partner with me and help each other out?"
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2 edits | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com They could have been potential partners but after they RR me that is not going to happen! They can still be a sleazy portal company and clever marketers. That is proven when the bought out the real www.crosswalk.com instead of offering to help them.
"Why not partner with me and help each other out?" was referring to they could have offered me the choice and wrote me a nice letter instead of coming off like a nasty company right off the bat. However, I'm glad I found out what I did because after reading it, it saved me from making a bad mistake!
Why did I take crosswalkhosting.com because it is a perfect name for a hosting company. If they were interested in doing hosting in the future they could have taken it. Or offered to buy it from me? You will notice on my website I clearly state I'm not affiliated with them, nor want to be after the way they threaten people.
Lastly, faith has all to do with? Do you read the bible? Do you even know famous quotes like "turn the other cheek", "forgiving you brother", "not getting involved in earthly things, etc." This discussion would have never came up if Salem helped them out instead of helping them bail out!
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com said by askmrauto :They could have been potential partners but after they RR me that is not going to happen! Potential partners with... you? Why should they? What gives you the impression that they'd be interested at all? You have a domain name, a nasty attitude, and not a whole lot else. It really, really sounds like you registered the domain name just to give 'em shit.
said by askmrauto :"Why not partner with me and help each other out?" was referring to they could have offered me the choice and wrote me a nice letter instead of coming off like a nasty company right off the bat. However, I'm glad I found out what I did because after reading it, it saved me from making a bad mistake! Offering the choice for what? Their letter was pretty nice - I've seen much nastier letters.
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Dude if they would have just been nicer I would not have the nasty "attitude". Second, if I just wanted to piss them off I would have done allot worse!
Registering a domain and doing something totally different is not how piss someone off. If I wanted to piss them off I would have registered christiancrosswalk.com or something similar and do exactly what they are doing! Leaching revenue from "advertisers"
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com How much nicer can they get? They didn't threaten to send Bubba & Co. your way. They didn't threaten you with their amazing legal team. They didn't threaten to DDoS the site til you give up. They were actually fairly nice about it.
As for the "leeching revenue from advertisers" part... what business of yours is it? They have bills to pay, so they have ads up. Again - none of your business.
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1 edit | Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com Okay, point made Nice to know U | |
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| I am a Christian and I have to say you are not a good example of one in any way.
I'm sorry but in this situation the only possible answer in any way, shape, or form is... YOU LOSE!
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| Re: My notice to Crosswalk.com said by Nagrom Nniuq :I am a Christian and I have to say you are not a good example of one in any way. I'm sorry but in this situation the only possible answer in any way, shape, or form is... YOU LOSE! Better luck researching next time you start a business. Hmm, your attitude does not effect the latter! | |
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4 edits | If you specifically mentioned Crosswalk.com or anything that has to do with the site in question, before you got this letter, I think you have violated some copyrights/trademarks. If you did do the latter, it would be the same as starting, broadbandreportshosting.com or even microsofthosting.com or googlehosting.com
I wasnt here long enough to see if you did steal their domain name or not, since you have taken the site down and placed an under construction up in its place. If you did, its plain wrong. If you did NOT refer to the christian site in any way, I think that you would have gotten off free. If I were to start a site, say Crosswalk.net and talked about actual pedestrian crosswalks,and pedestrian rights, im pretty sure the crosswalk.com folks wouldnt bother me,since my website didnt mention anything from their website, If I mentioned "Christians and non christians may come here," they have every right to be on my tail. Just the fact that Crosswalk.com is a christian information site, It would be wrong for me to mention anything Christian-related on my website. If Crosswalk.com has sent you a letter, and you had said NOTHING that relates to their website in ANY WAY, then its a different story.
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| Dude, you really aren't playing with a full deck of cards. I think you are just doing it for the attention.
You should know if you truly are a Christian that this is wrong. The law says it is wrong and Bible says it is wrong.
For reference here is an article concerning Cybersquatting
Cybersquatting means registering, selling or using a domain name with the intent of profiting from the goodwill of someone else's trademark. It generally refers to the practice of buying up domain names that use the names of existing businesses with the intent to sell the names for a profit to those businesses.
»www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectI···195/ART/
which was hit #1 when searching for cybersquatting on google.
Here is your Bible reference (thanks to bible.crosswalk.com)
Exodus 20:15 - "You shall not steal.
Leviticus 19:11 - 'You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another.
Deuteronomy 5:19 - 'You shall not steal.
The only reason why you choose the name was the popularity of the crosswalk.com.
Lastly, I have dealt legally with this issue before where I bought a domain name that included part of my home associations name for the purpose of having a community website.
I got "The Letter" and called the Lawyer to ask if they had a trademark. They did not, I then informed them that my website was not-for-profit (it was only a forum) and that I had no intention of selling the domain to them.
The Lawyer apologized and I never heard from them again. This is the only viable way of using a domain name that is similar to some else's.
Oh by the way, If they do take you to court (which looks highly probable from your attitude) if the are awarded damages, it doesn't matter if you actually have the money, they will garnish your wages until it is paid. From the looks of it you have made it a slam dunk for their lawyer.
In fact I think I will be sending an e-mail to there legal department after this with links to your posts... | |
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| said by me:I'm certainly not suggesting that removed is gay How many people believe that this is an innocent statement of support for the object of the quote, even though my plain words taken literally do just that?
Nobody.
Why? Because you have more than two brain cells and can read right through the plain words. My "innocent, supportive" quote is clearly pejorative no matter how much I try to weasel out of it.
Likewise: in spite of your weasel words that you're just trying to run a webhosting operation, you're the only one in this forum who doesn't think that you're trying to game a bigger player. Everybody else sees right through it, especially the pseudo-religious garbage that's an embarrassment to those of us who take that kind of thing seriously.
If you want to get into webhosting, that's fine (though you're going to find that it's much more work than it looks). But do it in a way such that you stand on the merits of your own abilities, not leeching off the cachet of somebody else.
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1 edit | I have a couple more things to say about this.
Crosswalkhosting would have been fine, if you didnt mention CRISTIANS in any way. This way the Crosswalk.com folks can't get on your backs, since a Crosswalk really means, a place where pedestrians cross the road. I have attached a picture here of a crosswalk, in case some of the christians forgot what a crosswalk really is.
Crosswalkhosting should be fine if you don't mention christians/christian hosting in any way. Keep in mind, a crosswalk is not a christian word. A crosswalk is a place where pedestrians cross the road! Attached here, is a picture of a croswalk; I just want to show you people who are on Crosswalk.com's side. I am not taking sides of anyone here, but some of the posters here are getting out of hand, blaming someone for using a normal english word, such as Crosswalk for copyright infringement. Here is a quote of my post from one of your 20 threads spread across different forums about the same subject  | |
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