jlrubia
join:2005-08-03 |  WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km range
i am planning to put up a new WISP in our subdivision. what are the necessary equipment that i will use in a 2km range from the source and can penetrate walls of houses and trees. please help i need some suggestions. thanks |
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sbeasley
join:2005-06-28
Albion, IN
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Since you are using km, I would assume that you are not from the US or England, and I am not familiar with your nations regulations, but here in the states the unlicenced bandwidth is 900 MHz. It will do exactly what you want, since 2 km is about 1.24 mi. It's what you would want to use. So find out what is unlicenced in your area, and use whatever spectrum is under 1 GHz, and you should be okay. |
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jlrubia
join:2005-08-03 | reply to jlrubia
Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km range
i am from the philppines, asia, 2.4 ghz frequency is an unlicensed bandwidth in our country. so what are the necessary equipment (AP, antenna, amplifier, etc.) to use to penetrate walls and trees of houses. please help. |
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John Galt
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| Using 2.4 is going to be tough, since it doesn't want to penetrate walls and trees to well. You will do very much better if you use an outside antenna, and have a good line-of-sight to your transmitter location.
An integrated solution such as this is the best way to go. You do not have feed line losses such as those associated with coax cables, and this device can be placed in the optimum location for reception with a long cable to the computer.
Many people on this list use this device and are well-satisfied with its performance and the support that the company gives.
In all fairness, there are other companies out there, but their equipment costs more, and usually cost is consideration. If it is not, then there are other options.
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DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA | reply to jlrubia
Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km rang
Commercial 700 MHz gear. |
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robbin
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Leander, TX
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Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km range
I haven't had the opportunity to visit the Philipines. I understand that the tree / foliage is pretty thick with it being a tropical country. Without knowing more, I can't offer advice. How thick is the tree cover. What are the houses built of there (wood, concrete, etc)? |
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John Galt
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Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km rang
said by DaDogs  :Commercial 700 MHz gear. I wonder what the license would cost...?
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jlrubia
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Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km range
i already make a survey. there about 40 to 60 house who would like to subscribe due to no broadband internet connection available in the area. im planning to put up WISP in that area. all of the houses are in concrete type of walls and about 20 house are behind trees but the rest are at line-of-sight. what are the equipment used to penetrate trees and concrete walls? |
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robbin
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Leander, TX | I really doubt that you will penetrate the trees in the Philipines. I know you won't be penetrating many concrete walls. You really need a good line of site and mounting your equipment outside to eliminate the walls. |
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John Galt
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These are used in the U.S. to penetrate trees and concrete walls...
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John Galt
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said by robbin :I really doubt that you will penetrate the trees in the Philipines. I know you won't be penetrating many concrete walls. You really need a good line of site and mounting your equipment outside to eliminate the walls. What Robbin said...
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jlrubia
join:2005-08-03 | reply to jlrubia
are there any trees and walls penetrating antenna in the market today? |
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John Galt
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| said by jlrubia :are there any trees and walls penetrating antenna in the market today? Not in the 2.4 band, generally speaking. If you can get outside of the walls, you have a chance. If not, well, the game is over.
You must mount outside...with clear line-of-sight. There are some OFDM products that handle the trees better, but they are more expensive than standard 802.11a/b/g gear.
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robbin
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It really doesn't have anything to do with the antenna. It is the physics behind the propagation of the radio frequency. 2.4 does not penetrate very well at a distance. It's great inside a house to go through the walls from room to room, but you can't send it a half mile through a tree or two and then through a wood wall (much less a concrete one). |
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Semaphore
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Arnprior On.
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In addition to what Robbin said - there _are_ companies that _claim_ to be able to do this.... so far I have yet to hear from someone (that wasn't on the sales team) that can actually says that they have used one of these magic antennas to do that. Let alone SHOW me that same thing in action... but I know of alot that CLAIM they can 
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DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA | reply to John Galt
Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km rang
Depends upon the area actually. You know they have auctioned most of it off. One would have to lease the use of the spectrum from the company that holds the lease. |
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bito
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| What if you used a high-powered indoor client (cb3, ez1100, etc) inside each customers house to connect back to the AP? No outdoor installs, radio install is easy, and you have a better chance of making your plan happen. Although you are going to be dealing with a RF nightmare. |
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bsamarah
join:2005-08-09
San Jose, CA
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Re: WISP equipment to penetrate houses in 2km range
Hello all..
I am a little confused. How come there is no solution that can penetrate walls. How do you connect conference rooms or an entire building? If the building has 2 apt per floor it is going to extremely difficult to connect the entire building to a line of sight. Is the Lucent ORENCO product not a solution? How about 5.8 GHz can those be used to extend the range?
One more question.. Can all these different frequencies work togather 5.8Ghz with 2.4Ghz with 900MHz? Appreciate all your help in advance.
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John Galt
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| said by bsamarah :How come there is no solution that can penetrate walls. Penetration is frequency dependent. The higher the frequency, the less the penetration. Conversely, the lower the frequency, the greater the penetration.
It is better to install more low power AP's in buildings than fewer high power AP's.
One more question.. Can all these different frequencies work together 5.8Ghz with 2.4Ghz with 900MHz? The short answer is yes.
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GuyS25
join:2003-12-26
England
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said by John Galt :These are used in the U.S. to penetrate trees and concrete walls... :D:D:D
You just couldn't resist that, could you? |
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